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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 1:57 PM

On the contrary, Android development has accelerated recently and in the past few months we've more than doubled staffing on the Android team.

I understand that you can't see inside our organization, but you could just ask "What's up with Android development?" instead of posting provocative headlines like "Android App Development Seems to Have Slowed to a Crawl." I understand that the "seems" gets you off the hook of making an untrue statement -- because technically it "seems" to you dev has slowed to a crawl, even though you have no data on which to base any statements about the development, which by its nature happens inside Logos and out of sight.

But provocative headlines do get your forum threads read... that's why I'm going to start one with the equally true (and disconnected from facts) headline "Logos Android users not ruled-out as suspects in flash mob crime spree." I mean, you haven't all been cleared, right? The police haven't announced arresting anyone else yet, right? It could have been you... I don't know it wasn't... Maybe there was a real-life "ice cream sandwich tablet" on display...

:-)

Okay, I'm being defensive... I know you just want the Android app, and we've not been delivering enough information. We'll keep trying:

We're on it. It's getting better every day. We have a team of 4-5 developers assigned specifically to Android (not counting all the shared code it uses from other devs/teams). Our primary Android targets are phones and the Kindle Fire, because Android hasn't made much market-share progress on tablets yet. (But we have many Android tablets on site and are working on them, too.)

The Android app is rapidly catching up and major new releases are coming shortly. The other "unannounced" products people think are stealing time from "the things I want done first" are actually built on the same code base. Yes, we're doing many things, but we're also making sure that everything we do "kills two birds with one stone." The net result of our recent efforts has been a doubling of the Android team, not a detraction from it.

By the way... for all those who said or agreed with "I think that it is better to complete one task before moving on to the next." -- is it alright with you if we stop all Android development and move those developers back to working on Logos 4 for the Mac desktop? Or fixing Logos 4 Windows issues? Or working on Proclaim? As a matter of principle? Because there were no Android tablets or Kindle Fire when we released those products and promised updates...

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 2:05 PM

Bob Pritchett:
I understand that you can't see inside our organization, but you could just ask "What's up with Android development?" instead of posting provocative headlines like "Android App Development Seems to Have Slowed to a Crawl."

Bob, I don't think there's anything provocative about the thread title.  But I'm glad you're responding to this thread.

We used to have developers in the forums all the time.  Back in the day.  Now they're working so hard there isn't anyone available to answer questions and post statuses (except for Bradley.  He's a madman Yes). That makes it seem like nothing is happening. Which is why I think the thread title is accurate.

A little info goes a long way.

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 3:01 PM

Tony Thomas:

The Android app has the potential to attract more users (and buyers) to the Logos/Vyrso platform.  It would benefit Logos to provide the most powerful and versatile app possible compared to the competition (Tecarta, Olive Tree, etc.)

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 3:08 PM

Bob Pritchett:

On the contrary, Android development has accelerated recently and in the past few months we've more than doubled staffing on the Android team.

Thanks Bob for the update. I'll try to be more patient! Smile

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 5:48 PM

Waiting patiently. Hurry up finish L4 and tablets. Some of us are anxious to test the super duper project. Big Smile

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 7:21 PM

Bob:

Thanks for the quick response.  My headline may seem to be provocative, but it did grab your attention!  Smile

I think better communication is needed so that we can see what is going on inside Logos.  You have a lot of stakeholders using various platforms that are interested in the progress of their favorite project(s).

I know I get several e-mails from Logos every week telling me about the latest sale or product.  How about an e-mail a few times a month telling us how software projects are progressing?   You can call it "Logos Insider" or something like that.

Many of us are heavily invested in the Logos platform and would love to know when features are coming that will improve the user experience.

As far as resource deployment, I am happy to hear that you are devoting more resources to Android.  I think that, even with Google's missteps and the slow evolution of Android tablets, there is a lot of potential there.  

Tony

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Sir Maru | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 6:29 AM

Bibles are now linked to the rapid technology changes everywhere.  Its hard for Bible publishers like Logos to keep up.  We must have patience and understanding.  Its hard to spot new trends and switch resources.

I used to rely only on my Zondervan Print NIV and KJV bibles exclusively.  Then along came the PC and then Logos presented their first resources.  I then purchased a lot of their resources and relied only on the Logos PC application.

Then along came the Kindle Keyboard units.  Osnova Bibles swept to the top there and Logos was not even represented.  At that point I was only using Osnova Direct Jump to Verse Bibles exclusively.

Then came the Kindle Fire.  It is the only way I access Bibles now and the only one to leap ahead there was Tecarta.  The Osnova Bibles ceased to work there altogether in their Direct Jump to Verse technology.  I understand they are also working on an Android application but it will take time.

Logos as well is evidently working on developing their Android application but it will take time.

By the TIME Logos gets there it is very possible that Kindle Fire 2 may be out and then technology may drastically change again.

There is no question that in volume of available resources no one comes close to Logos.  The only problem is that we consumers are so fickle.  We jump on every technology innovation and never look back.  In the meantime I have never opened my Zondervan Print Bibles once since the first Logos resources appeared for the PC.  Its not Zondervan's fault.  They simply didn't make it in time other then to license their own resources to Logos and Tecarta.

I believe that the best bet for Logos would be to re-license all their own great resources to other companies moving ahead in the technology race.  Another approach would be to merge with the latest and greatest out in any one year.  The field simply changes too fast for anyone to keep up in time.

Even the device manufacturers, themselves, are changing rapidly.  Apple's iPad was the only game in town.  Then Amazon came out with the Kindle Fire tablet and, in my humble opinion, has moved way ahead of Apple in the 7 inch category.  For me the iPad was always too big to carry around.  Smart phones had too small a screen for easy reading. The Amazon Kindle Fire's screen is as large as a book which has now become the standard for eBook reading.  The Kindle Fire just came out last year and prior to that no one could have imagined it. Combined with Google's Android allowing for innumerable applications, everything has changed once again.

That is why we must have patience.  I'm sure in time Logos will still be the best bible access model around.

 

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Smiling Guy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 11:00 AM

Tony Thomas:
How about an e-mail a few times a month telling us how software projects are progressing?   You can call it "Logos Insider" or something like that.

YesYes

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 20 2012 6:08 PM

Thanks for the update Bob.  I'm sorry about my comment.  It was made ignorantly and insensitively.  At least for me, it is because I am invested and very excited about what Logos is doing that I get wrapped up in that and start checking the forums neurotically for the next beta or update.  It's exciting to be part of the community and the robust conversation that happens in it.  I can't imagine the stress you have probably getting suggestions/complaints from lots of people.  

I also agree with the others here that a little info goes a long way.  Thanks for the info.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2012 5:35 AM

Decided to look up when the .9.4 version was pushed to the Android Market and it says January 30, 2012.

As one of the most critical of Logos users its tough to admit that this is only 52 days ago. By comparison other bible apps were updated ...

March 1 2012

Feb 21 2012

October 29 2011

November 4 2011

 

My conclusion is that the current version is not the oldest version of a Bible app but not as new as others. If I was a user of the ones not updated since Oct or Nov of last year and they were missing significant features I'd likely have been pulling my hair out and setting myself on fire.

I'm impatient and that's my fault!

So looking forward to a nice update coming hopefully soon. I have a dream of using Logos on my Kindle Fire by Easter. 

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Jim Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2012 4:46 PM

I switched from BibleWorks to Logos 4 because I wanted one program with all my books and Bible resources in one place. Now, with my phone and tablet I find myself in the same place. I use Olivetree for Bibles and Logos for books. Logos App is the most dysfunctional I've seen when it comes to biblical languages. I suspect they don't see the profit potential and are focusing their resources in areas where they see a higher return. Happy to have what I have, will be nice to be using one app for all my Bible needs.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2012 5:32 PM

Hi Jim. I'm not a Logos apologist, but I suspect they recognize that it is not only a service to their customers but also increases their continuing profitability to continue improving the mobile apps.

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Sir Maru | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 22 2012 7:37 PM

Don't be too hard on Logos.  My Osnova eBibles used to be great on the Kindle Keyboard but are too slow to find verses on the Kindle Fire.  My Tecarta eBibles work great on the Kindle Fire but their web site is still inoperable to be able to sync with my Kindle Fire eBibles.

Thus, NONE are perfect.  Remember, Romans 2:23 "all............fall short of the glory of God."  I got that verse in seconds with my Tecarta eBible on my Kindle Fire.  I don't read eBibles on my PC anymore.

I'm also almost positive all of us will get a big Easter suprise from Logos: Version 1.0.0 P L E A S E ...............!    I suspect the 5 android programmers are working for a big Easter bonus around the clock.

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2012 5:54 AM

Jeff M:

Tony Thomas:
How about an e-mail a few times a month telling us how software projects are progressing?   You can call it "Logos Insider" or something like that.

YesYes

While I also would enjoy this - it isn't likely.  Why?  It takes time and time is money.  

Who would write up the software progress reports?  The programmers are the only ones qualified to know what they've been doing on these software projects.  I'd rather they wrote code than newsletters.  They already commit change-logs which are pruned and provided when there is a new release.

My own former dabbling in coding taught me that one line in a change-log may equal hundreds (thousands?) of lines of code, multiple hours of testing, and many many trials and failures along the way.

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2012 11:04 AM

TCBlack:
My own former dabbling in coding taught me that one line in a change-log may equal hundreds (thousands?) of lines of code, multiple hours of testing, and many many trials and failures along the way.

Also, one line in a change log that makes sense to other programmers and Logos staff may appear a bit whimsical to others, who would need more contextual information to understand.

Keep Smiling Smile

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2012 4:42 PM

The best advertising is word-of-mouth. The best advertisers for logos are current users if they are happy. They might want to consider investing a little bit more in their current best advertisers. They have plenty of time to send out daily emails about resources we can buy. Why not a weekly email about the progress of their future development. Make it for those who sign up only. That way those of us who crave more information, can get it. I'd be happy to do it for just a slight discount on one future purchase per year

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mmaglaya | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 24 2012 7:04 PM

So I'm thinking of buying a Kindle Fire within the week, just for using Logos. . . Should I wait until Easter (when the next update comes out)?

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Jim Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 24 2012 9:53 PM

Noticed tonight that they have fixed the Gk and Heb word lookups. Clicked on the word after the one I wanted and got the word I clicked on! Clicked on the one I wanted and got it. Went from my Kindle Fire to phone, same pleasant result. Checked the Hebrew; vowel points still off (no real biggy; if you are use to reading Hebrew since the vowel points are secondary) but the word lookup is now spot on.

I may be slow in noticing because I have been doing my language reading at OliveTree lately. May just remove Olive Tree now that the most infuriating bug is fixed. Thanks much Logos Android Team. BTW: how long has it been fixed?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 25 2012 2:35 AM

mmaglaya:

So I'm thinking of buying a Kindle Fire within the week, just for using Logos. . . Should I wait until Easter (when the next update comes out)?

Reading rumors about Kindle Fire model(s) later this year => http://allthingsd.com/20120209/is-amazon-building-a-bigger-fire/ and => http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/next-for-amazon-8212-big-kindle-fire-or-refresh-existing-model/7243

Currently not know price point(s) for new model(s) so do not know if Kindle Fire will drop in price like Apple's refurbished iPad's did earlier this month.

By the way, newegg.com has a number of Android tablets with prices less than the Kindle Fire.  At $ 199, noticed Lenovo A1 => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246233 has 16 GB storage and micro SD (Lenovo bought IBM's ThinkPad business years ago).  Review => http://www.pcworld.com/article/239317/lenovo_ideapad_tablet_a1_a_199_bargain.html  Kindle Fire also runs Android 2.3 (Gingerbread).

Keep Smiling Smile

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Dr. Rupert Loyd Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2012 3:42 AM

Jim, you're right, looks like they have fixed the look-up feature. That's why I read the forums, always someone who knows a lot more than me. Thanks for the alert. Smile

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