Mormon Studies Collection (45 vols.)

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 9:17 AM

DAL:
Maybe they were just interested in the private parties for them only?

That's enough of that, DAL. 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 9:18 AM

DAL:
BTW, Homer Hailey has a great book with helpful information for debates.  

Good point. I really like his Revelations volume. He was always up front on what was actually 'there'.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 9:19 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

DAL:
Maybe they were just interested in the private parties for them only?

That's enough of that, DAL. 

Alright, every one seemed to carry on why are you getting on to me? You need to chill buddy you seem to be reading too much into my posts!

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 9:28 AM

DMB:

DAL:
BTW, Homer Hailey has a great book with helpful information for debates.  

Good point. I really like his Revelations volume. He was always up front on what was actually 'there'.

Thank you! At least you’re not getting snappy for no valid reason!

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 9:31 AM

Please delete this entire thread and focus on the new one promoting the bid only! Everyone has violated the forum rules, so no need for this thread to exist! My apologies if someone got offended!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 9:58 AM

Ben:
I have a list of good recent scholarly material here. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88557.aspx

Thanks for sharing that - I liked the recommendations you gave for LDS/Evangelical and LDS/Catholic dialog works (unfortunately all not in Logos). 

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 10:55 AM

Just one question Ben.  You stated you are a “Latter day saint.” So if I called you a Christian, would you correct me and say, “No, I’m a latter day saint”?”

I wouldn’t correct, but I would specify, something like “I’m a Christian of the Latter-day Saint variety.” 

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 11:04 AM

Ben:

There are nuances about what authoritative means of course. But none of these things were ever authoritative in the first place, except for the book of Mormon, pearl of great price, and doctrine and covenants, which are canonized.

Ben, are these resources available in Logos?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 11:33 AM

Mark:

Ben:

There are nuances about what authoritative means of course. But none of these things were ever authoritative in the first place, except for the book of Mormon, pearl of great price, and doctrine and covenants, which are canonized.

Ben, are these resources available in Logos?

My understanding would be that PD editions of these are contained in the 45 vols. once the set is produced.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 12:57 PM

The thread has been useful in deciding on whether to keep my bid. If I understand it right, these items may be a snapshot on how the LDS viewed things at one time, but since it sees revelation as changeable (perhaps a more nuanced term fits better?), they are not necessarily how the LDS views things now. (As an example, I noticed 3 different versions of the Book of Mormon. Are they considered valid today?)

If I haven't misunderstood what was said, I'm inclined to cancel my bid as comparing past and present works seem to have less use than I initially expected.

If I have misunderstood, please help me understand how. I am interested in understanding what groups really believe instead of relying on what others say about them.

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 3:21 PM

Jeffrey Visser:
What do you suggest should be added to it to make it more complete?

Fawn Brodie’s “No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith” would be a good addition.

Gerald and Sandra Tanner from the Utah Lighthouse Mission,  spent their lives researching & investigating Mormonism‘s claims. They have a number of resources available that would be helpful, chiefly “The Changing World of Mormonism”. 

I would like to see those resources added to the Mormon collection

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 3:46 PM

Ben:

Just one question Ben.  You stated you are a “Latter day saint.” So if I called you a Christian, would you correct me and say, “No, I’m a latter day saint”?”

I wouldn’t correct, but I would specify, something like “I’m a Christian of the Latter-day Saint variety.” 

Thank you! And thanks for the links! I’ll check those out very soon to have a more up to date assessment of LDS’s.

DAL

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 22 2021 8:35 PM

Ben:
I would specify, something like “I’m a Christian of the Latter-day Saint variety.

Ben, I’m curious as one who has some knowledge about Mormonism as I was raised LDS and my Mormon ancestors go back to the earliest days being converted directly by Joseph Smith in Palmyra and others by Orson Pratt in Ontario in 1835.

I was taught that the Mormon church was the only true church and that Smith said that ”all other creeds were wrong and abominations in God’s sight”. Pratt said, “The gates of hell have prevailed and will continue to prevail over the Catholic Mother of Harlots, and over all her Protestant Daughters;...the apostate Catholic church, with all her popes and bishops, together with all her harlot daughters shall be hurled down to hell...”.

It seems that in recent times the church has softened its harsh rhetoric to try and fit in to the greater Christian church community. Seeing as you are one who seems to be very familiar with Mormon resources, is there any documents or literature that point to a softening of LDS opinion regarding non Mormon churches in recent times? 

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Jeffrey Visser | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 8:02 AM

MWW:

Jeffrey Visser:
What do you suggest should be added to it to make it more complete?

Fawn Brodie’s “No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith” would be a good addition.

Gerald and Sandra Tanner from the Utah Lighthouse Mission,  spent their lives researching & investigating Mormonism‘s claims. They have a number of resources available that would be helpful, chiefly “The Changing World of Mormonism”. 

I would like to see those resources added to the Mormon collection



Yes, anything from The Utah Lighthouse Ministry in digital format would be good.

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Jeffrey Visser | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 8:25 AM

I think a good resource for this set would be one that compares Orthodox Christianity with LDS theology. 

For example, Looking at the eternality of the Father in Orthodox Christianity and the belief that the Heavenly Father was born and lived as a man on another planet before coming here as god with a body in LDS theology.  Or that Jesus was born spiritually to the heavenly father (like us) as the elder brother of Satan and didn't become a god until after his death as opposed to the orthodox belief that Jesus was not created and always existed as God.

We could go deeper, but this is not a theology discussion.  The type of book that I would like added may be similar to the Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin, but would need to be updated to show the latest beliefs of the LDS church because, as has been stated here, the historical LDS church is different than the current LDS church in their beliefs. 

I don't know if these collections ever changed due to comments here, but it might be good for Logos to split this into 2 separate resources - one containing BOM, D&C, and associated LDS scripture and the other containing the historical books.  It might have a better change to be produced then. 

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 8:30 AM

Please stop trying to characterize LDS theology. You make very definitive attributions which are not necessarily so, but we can’t discuss them here. If your primary explainer of LDS theology has been Evangelical explainers, you have a highly distorted view. And that’s all I can say.

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 9:04 AM

Ben:
your primary explainer of LDS theology has been Evangelical explainers, you have a highly distorted view. And that’s all I can say

Ben, I'm not sure if this directed at me or not but that is why I ask for Mormon sources that would respond to that question. In 1983 I held a public debate in SLC called "Mormonism vs. the Bible" in which I invited Mormon input and participation as well as the input of a couple of former members of the church. It was a highly enlightening evening, though the evening was somewhat hampered by a blizzard taking place at the time. 

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 9:43 AM

Let's stop arguing and push this collection into production. In a few days, my bid celebrates its 8th birthday!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 2:14 PM

Yes

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2021 3:28 PM

Ben:

Please stop trying to characterize LDS theology. You make very definitive attributions which are not necessarily so, but we can’t discuss them here. If your primary explainer of LDS theology has been Evangelical explainers, you have a highly distorted view. And that’s all I can say.

I'm not supporting this bundle, too much baggage and too old, but as summer comes, I'm sure I'll met more Mormon Missionary, and as always offer a glass of lemon aide. Logos does have a good resource https://www.logos.com/product/17257/the-new-mormon-challenge very well written. I can understand Ben's view, but disagree with the comment on Evangelical distorted view, we "all" are kind of guilty of that.

Blessings

Ralph

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