LOGOS EMPLOYEE: Question About Classic Revelation

Is there any official word as to why the Classic Commentary set on Revelation is green on our orders page but red still on the product page? I think that this could be misleading to any new people wanting to get in. Some might go in for $50 if they realized that they could get it for that, but seeing $160 as the presumed price might be a turn off. I am just curious since it has been this way for a little while now. Thanks!

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Kent Hendricks

The price is still $160. It looks like it bumped down to $50 briefly and then back up to $160. We'll look into why the price didn't update on your orders page.

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357588#Comment_357588

Here is the link

http://www.logos.com/product/8522/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-revelation

They look virtually neck and neck - probably just another few bids at most to get this down to $50.

Alex Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357613#Comment_357613

Someone is still adding bids at $160. Yesterday $50 and $160 were virtually even. Today $160 is noticeably higher if you've been following it.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357629#Comment_357629

It will take more than 3x the number of people bidding at $50 to cross the finish line of those bidding $160.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357630#Comment_357630

Also, remember that every $160 bidder is also a $50 bidder.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357632#Comment_357632

Also, remember that every $160 bidder is also a $50 bidder.

Yep, and every time someone bids $160, we're gonna need 3 more $50 bids to make up for it. [:(]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357639#Comment_357639

Yep, and every time someone bids $160, we're gonna need 3 more $50 bids to make up for it.

That's true wether or not someone bids at $160 or not. I don't have a dog in this fight, and I certainly understand y'all wanting to pay $50 rather than $160. Ultimately it doesn't matter what happens at the $160 level as long as people enough people keep bidding at the $50 level.

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357641#Comment_357641

The $50 has been steadily rising and the $160 has been declining so I think it's just a matter of time - shouldn't be long either I don't think.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357641#Comment_357641

Yep, and every time someone bids $160, we're gonna need 3 more $50 bids to make up for it.

That's true wether or not someone bids at $160 or not. I don't have a dog in this fight, and I certainly understand y'all wanting to pay $50 rather than $160. Ultimately it doesn't matter what happens at the $160 level as long as people enough people keep bidding at the $50 level.

Oh, my point was that people want to get the $50 point higher than the $160 point in the short term so that the estimated final price shown drops to $50. I guess the $50 point was briefly higher, but then $160 easily jumped back over.

It'd be nice to have this in production, but I'm mostly here for the entertainment: It's $50 vs. $160...who will win?

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357645#Comment_357645

$50 has made significant progress and continues to climb. The $160 has been slowly coming down ... I don't think it's a question of which one will win, but how quickly the $160 bidders realize they are just slowing down its production.

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357645#Comment_357645

but I'm mostly here for the entertainment: It's $50 vs. $160...who will win?

Very funny Todd. You brought a smile to my face [:)]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357648#Comment_357648

I don't think it's a question of which one will win, but how quickly the $160 bidders realize they are just slowing down its production.

How are the $160 bidders slowing down production? Every $160 bid is also a $50 bid. On the other hand, none of the $50 bidders are also $160 bidders (by definition). If 100% of the $160 bidders lowered their bids to $50, the $50 mark would not rise one single bit! It would not be one inch closer to the finish line. Why? Because ALL $160 bidders are already $50 bidders.

Your strategy should stop being about the $160 bidders, and all about getting brand new $50 bidders, (and lots of them).

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357649#Comment_357649

My concern is that the $50 option never went green on the product page, even though it was, and still is on the orders page. People who do not understand the process will automatically be drawn to the one that it says will likely make it ($160 in this case). This seems like a ploy to get more $160 bidders, and to push out the $50 bids. If it is green on my orders page, then it should be green on the product page. It is almost like subliminal marketing. It is not the end of the world if I can't get this, but it certainly seems reasonable that it could be gotten for $50 as opposed to $160.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357651#Comment_357651

My concern is that the $50 option never went green on the product page, even though it was, and still is on the orders page.

Thread => Classic Revelation shows green on Orders Page at $50 includes an example of $ 40 bid for being green on => https://www.logos.com/user/orders for Classic Commentaries and Studies on Revelation (27 vols.) that is still green today (when should be red to match community pricing page since $ 40 is currently not the projected price).

Keep Smiling Smile

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357650#Comment_357650

I don't think it's a question of which one will win, but how quickly the $160 bidders realize they are just slowing down its production.

How are the $160 bidders slowing down production? Every $160 bid is also a $50 bid. On the other hand, none of the $50 bidders are also $160 bidders (by definition). If 100% of the $160 bidders lowered their bids to $50, the $50 mark would not rise one single bit! It would not be one inch closer to the finish line. Why? Because ALL $160 bidders are already $50 bidders.

Your strategy should stop being about the $160 bidders, and all about getting brand new $50 bidders, (and lots of them).

The idea is that bidding will increase if the peak is $50 rather than $160.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357653#Comment_357653

The idea is that bidding will increase if the peak is $50 rather than $160.

I don't know how much of this is true. I bid only on things I want, and only on prices I want. If I wanted this set (I don't), I would bid the amount is was worth to me. If that is $160, I would bid that amount. If it were $50, I would bid $50. What does it matter if the peak is $160? Its not like I have anything to lose! If I am in at $50, I am in at $50. If I lose, I lose. The peak should have no bearing on anyone's decision to bid or not bid.

Aaron Dutton (Faithlife)

Is there any official word as to why the Classic Commentary set on Revelation is green on our orders page but red still on the product page? I think that this could be misleading to any new people wanting to get in. Some might go in for $50 if they realized that they could get it for that, but seeing $160 as the presumed price might be a turn off. I am just curious since it has been this way for a little while now. Thanks!

Looking at the website code, we use two slightly different calculations on the different pages. They are usually the same but in this case, it appears that the product teetering on the edge of 50/160 causes it to work incorrectly. We'll see if we can figure out the cause of the difference.

Kent Hendricks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357650#Comment_357650

If 100% of the $160 bidders lowered their bids to $50, the $50 mark would not rise one single bit!

Also, if a small percentage of $50 bidders raised their bids to $160, this would already have crossed 100%.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357659#Comment_357659

Thanks!

Michael A. Lasley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357653#Comment_357653

One $160 bidder changing to $50 makes a big difference. It brings down the $160 peak and even though it does not change the $50 peak, it allows the $50 peak to be the highest.

Watching this for some time, I am beginning to think we have someone or some group or Logos managing the $160 peak. It was so close and must have shifted, but someone put $160 bids in to force it back up. I wonder why someone would want to do this?

My main issue is to see the product in production. Based on being at 60% with $50 bids, I think it will be easier to get more $50 bids.

If you are a $160 bidder, change to $50 for awhile. Even if this product completes at $160, with the number of $50 bidders that won't change, it may hit $50 anyway in the last few days.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357660#Comment_357660

Yes, and if an even smaller percentage bid $1000.00, it would have been in production even faster, but that doesn't mean that I want to pay more if I don't have to [:P]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357663#Comment_357663

If you are a $160 bidder, change to $50 for awhile. Even if this product completes at $160, with the number of $50 bidders that won't change, it may hit $50 anyway in the last few days.

I won't keep arguing over this, but let me share my perspective one last time. If I wanted this resource, and if it were worth $160 to me, I would be pretty mad if it crossed the line at $160 and I had moved my bid down to $50 for no reason to appease the $50 crowd. The best argument anyone here has made is a psychological one about encouraging more bidders. In my opinion, it is pretty weak. If this resource is worth $50 to ANYONE, please bid $50 on it. It doesn't matter if the peak is $50; $160; or $300. Bid whatever it is worth to you, and what you can afford to pay. If you win the bid, great! If not, c'est la vie.

I sincerely hope it closes at $50 for you all. [:)]

Evan Boardman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357670#Comment_357670

Alabama seeing you stated no interest in this why are you commenting at all about it?[:S]

JimTowler

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357679#Comment_357679

I was thinking that too, but I deleted my first two posts ...

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357670#Comment_357670

If you are a $160 bidder, change to $50 for awhile. Even if this product completes at $160, with the number of $50 bidders that won't change, it may hit $50 anyway in the last few days.

I won't keep arguing over this, but let me share my perspective one last time. If I wanted this resource, and if it were worth $160 to me, I would be pretty mad if it crossed the line at $160 and I had moved my bid down to $50 for no reason to appease the $50 crowd. The best argument anyone here has made is a psychological one about encouraging more bidders. In my opinion, it is pretty weak. If this resource is worth $50 to ANYONE, please bid $50 on it. It doesn't matter if the peak is $50; $160; or $300. Bid whatever it is worth to you, and what you can afford to pay. If you win the bid, great! If not, c'est la vie.

I sincerely hope it closes at $50 for you all.

The $160 crown have had this for a long time ... and it stalled ... went nowhere ... nothing. Then someone came up with an idea: 'let's create a new peak at $50', and they did, and it's been growing consistently since, so that it's nearly as high as the $160 peak that has gone nowhere since.

I mean come on, if it was really that close to $160, they wouldn't have lowered the bid. And if they had lowered the bid and now all of a sudden $160 was getting ready to cross the line, they would change it back again.

People are put off by the high figure - when I first started using Logos, I was put off. Now I understand the system better, but I know I'm not the only one who has mentioned this. How much faster would it move to production if $50 was the peak??? that's what we want to find out!

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357670#Comment_357670

I won't keep arguing over this, but let me share my perspective one last time.

I think you are missing the point alabama. If you've followed the discussions on this CP resource, the problem is that the peak formed early on this one at $160, so that is where the "early adopters" put their bids. This caused the $160 peak to gain quite a bit of ground, but then stall because (presumably) others that came along later saw the resource and thought along the lines of "that would be interesting, but there is no way I'd pay $160 for it"...so they didn't place a bid AT ALL because they figured that there was no chance of it coming in at a significantly lower price than $160. The plan was made to form a new peak at $50 so that the resource would show as a suggested price of $50 on the product pages. The hope being that enough new bidders would be attracted at the lower price to offset the need for 3x as many bidders.

I'm not in on this resource, so I don't really care one way or the other...but I have seen the conversations on the forum and I understand what they are trying to do and why...it's got nothing to do with not understanding how CP works. [;)]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357679#Comment_357679

Alabama seeing you stated no interest in this why are you commenting at all about it?

I was trying to be helpful. Plain and simple. I think that some of the talk was counter-productive. It is true that I don't have an interest in the commentary set, but I am interested in helping y'all get this through.

Why say anything at all… again, it was to be helpful. I think your strategy is wrong. You need to stop worrying about $160 bidders and get more $50 bidders. Again, if every single $160 bidder were to move down, you would still face the same challenge of getting enough $50 bids. The number does not change when the $160 bidders come down. Convince people to bid even if the "peak" is $160. Convince them they have nothing to lose. Convince them that its worth it. Convince them that they might win. Invest your energy in getting new bidders, because without them, this will never go to print!

Sometimes in the forum there is the thought that if someone disagrees with you, they should shut up. Wouldn't the world be great if everyone agreed with you? [:P] In my effort to help you, I got under some of y'alls skin. I will try to be less helpful in the future. There comes a time, of course, when someone should let something die, and that was my intention with my last post… I will say no more about this $50 push.

Randy Lane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357648#Comment_357648

$50 has made significant progress and continues to climb. The $160 has been slowly coming down ... I don't think it's a question of which one will win, but how quickly the $160 bidders realize they are just slowing down its production.

At $50 it will probably be another 3-4 years before this is satisfactorily supported to justify the production costs.

On the other hand, if those who have bid $50 or less would raise their bids to maybe $80, this could conceiveably be ready before the end of the year IMHO.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357691#Comment_357691

At $50 it will probably be another 3-4 years before this is satisfactorily supported to justify the production costs.

I disagree. Once it catches momentum, it will straight to production.

Evan Boardman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357690#Comment_357690

I was trying to be helpful.

If you truely want to be helpful place a $50 bid![:D]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357718#Comment_357718

If you truely want to be helpful place a $50 bid!

Touché. If I had $50 more than the amount I need for the other resources I want, I'd be in. [:)]

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357724#Comment_357724

If you truely want to be helpful place a $50 bid!

Touché. If I had $50 more than the amount I need for the other resources I want, I'd be in.

Observation: could bid $ 50 to help projected price move toward $ 50. After $ 50 peak is a bit higher than $ 160, could cancel bid (before resource progress reaches 100%). Considering http://www.logos.com/product/8522/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-revelation has 12,448 pages, anticipating many weeks after closure (if enough bids are placed to cover 100 % of estimated production cost) before resource ships (time to pay).

Keep Smiling [:)]

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357660#Comment_357660

Giovanni

Reported....

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357736#Comment_357736

Giovanni

Reported....

+1 reported since also not appreciate euphemistic spelling for expressing my Lord's name in vain.

Praying for the wondrous love of Jesus (Jehovah Saves) to become real in Giovanni's life.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357744#Comment_357744

Now that it applies in my favor I really like Leviticus 19:32

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357744#Comment_357744

I never meant for any of this to be contentious. My point is simply that if someone doesn't understand the CP system, and they see that it will probably go to $160, then they will not bother to vote for $50. I didn't until I read the forum posts about the $50 bids. If it is green on my orders page, then it should at least not show up red on the product page and state that my bid may fail. If people looked and automatically saw that a $50 bid would work, then we would have a lot more $50 bids. I am sure that a lot of people have simply passed over it, as I initially did. Let's keep this discussion Christian please. It is certainly not worth arguing about.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357751#Comment_357751

I would also like to point out that I do not believe that LOGOS is the Evil Empire, but I do believe something needs to be tweaked in the system to account for this.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357751#Comment_357751

My point is simply that if someone doesn't understand the CP system, and they see that it will probably go to $160, then they will not bother to vote for $50. I didn't until I read the forum posts about the $50 bids. If it is green on my orders page, then it should at least not show up red on the product page and state that my bid may fail. If people looked and automatically saw that a $50 bid would work, then we would have a lot more $50 bids. I am sure that a lot of people have simply passed over it, as I initially did.

Concur with confusion created when Logos orders page shows green for a bid for an amount that is currently projected to fail on the Community Pricing page.

Also hoping for many more user community bids for http://www.logos.com/product/8522/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-revelation since current progress is less than 60 % toward covering estimated production cost of 12,448 pages.

Wonder if community pricing pages should link to a blog article => http://blog.logos.com/2010/02/how_community_pricing_works/ ?

Keep Smiling [:)]

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357744#Comment_357744

Praying for the wondrous love of Jesus (Jehovah Saves) to become real in Giovanni's life.

[Y] +1

Michael A. Lasley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357842#Comment_357842

The end of Revelation CP is near. Be sure you are ready.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/358934#Comment_358934

The end of Revelation CP is near. Be sure you are ready.

[:D]