Finding Bible Paragraphs of the Bible

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Sam West | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Apr 15 2012 3:27 AM

Needing a Bible/resource that will accurately lay out the paragraphs of the Bible.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 3:56 AM

Since most Bible translations have paragraph diviisions, are you asking which one is the most accurate?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 4:27 AM

Sam West:

Needing a Bible/resource that will accurately lay out the paragraphs of the Bible.

Thanks

Sam West

It depends upon what you mean by "accurate." The most accurate one would be a translation without any paragraphs, since there weren't any in the original text. Personally I prefer a translation with paragraphs.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 5:03 AM

Sam West:
Needing a Bible/resource that will accurately lay out the paragraphs of the Bible.

In any version, paragraph divisions reflect the opinions of the translators/editors. As Bama already commented, the original did not have paragraph divisions.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 5:19 AM

The NA27 and the UBS4 differ in paragraph divisions so it is arbitrary at all levels, however some scholars prefer the divisions of the NRSV.

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Sam West | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 6:43 AM

Jerry M:

The NA27 and the UBS4 differ in paragraph divisions so it is arbitrary at all levels, however some scholars prefer the divisions of the NRSV.

Thanks Jerry. the NA27 and the NRSV are what i had in mind. not perfect but will give me an idea where the chapters are for my personal outline of a chapter.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 12:33 PM

http://www.logos.com/product/3888/lexham-discourse-greek-new-testament-bundle

May be helpful in looking at the flow of the text.

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Bethany Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 7:18 AM

If this is a silly question I apologise - were the original manuscripts divided into the bigger chapters, or is this another thing added in translation? I've been wondering this for some time, as certain things seem to straddle chapter splits.

And a further question is, if it is a translation addition, who decided how to break up the chapters (since the current structure seems fairly universal?).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 7:35 AM

Hi Chakde

Chakde India:
If this is a silly question I apologise

Not a silly question - no need to apologise.

Chakde India:
were the original manuscripts divided into the bigger chapters, or is this another thing added in translation?

Chapters weren't in the original manuscripts but were added later.

The Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible says:

"Chapter divisions in the NT go back at least as far as the 4th-century Codex Vaticanus, and other divisions of the texts are traceable through lectionary development. The division of the NT into verses occurs for the first time in the edition published by Robert Stephanus (Estienne) in Paris in 1551.

Michael L. Ruffin, "Verse", in Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible ( ed. David Noel Freedman;Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans, 2000), 1354."

(Similar work was done for the Old Testament)

Chakde India:
I've been wondering this for some time, as certain things seem to straddle chapter splits.

Yes, this is indeed an issue which is why it is useful at times to read the text without chapter, paragraph and verse information.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 7:38 AM

The manuscripts don't really have anything except the letters. Chapters, verses, paragraphs, punctuation, spaces between words, accents, and distinction between small and capital letters, those have all been added. And for Hebrew, the vowels as well.

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Bethany Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 8:27 AM

Graham Criddle:
The division of the NT into verses occurs for the first time in the edition published by Robert Stephanus (Estienne) in Paris in 1551.

Thanks for the information, guys. My friend always says "text without context is pretext" and in some ways, reading without the splits makes this easier.

Graham, I didn't realise it was as late as that! And to think that I took it for granted that Jesus said things like:

"verse twenty-one you have heard that it was said to the people long ago comma open quotes you shall not murder comma footnote A and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment fullstop close quotes verse twenty-two but I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister footnote b footnote c will be subject to judgment full stop"

Cue Victor Borge's punctuation routine.

My world just collapsed.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 8:43 AM

Hi Chadke

Hope it didn't come as too much of a shock!

It does take getting used to but then opens new areas for study.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 9:18 AM

Chakde India:
Cue Victor Borge's punctuation routine.

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Mark O'Hearn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 11:49 AM

Sam would the pericope (paragraph) help in our Passage analysis module be helpful?  There you can select a number of translations and compare their breaks.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 12:49 PM

Mark O'Hearn:
Sam would the pericope (paragraph) help in our Passage analysis module be helpful? 

I believe pericopes are often longer than a single paragraph, so the terms are not interchangeable. It wouldn't be hard to find example. Otherwise this tool would give Sam exactly what he wanted. It is what I first thought of.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 12:58 PM

Graham Criddle:

Chakde India:
I've been wondering this for some time, as certain things seem to straddle chapter splits.

Yes, this is indeed an issue which is why it is useful at times to read the text without chapter, paragraph and verse information.

Wiki Personal Books links to => User Contributed Personal Books that includes:

American Standard Version 1901 (Without Chapter and Verse Numbers, Red Letter)

The Personal Book Bible (docx files) of the ASV 1901 include Old and New Testament introductions along with Bible text being tagged for Text Comparison use (and right click on Bible words has reference).  If want to see Chapter and Verse numbers, can choose "Bible Text Only".  The paragraph breaks in the docx files can be arbitrarily changed.

Personally wish Logos would add an option so could choose when to display chapter and verse numbers, which could be used in all Bibles.

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Bethany Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 1:14 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Personally wish Logos would add an option so could choose when to display chapter and verse numbers, which could be used in all Bibles.

Yes

I tend to copy the passage without paragraphing or verses into Word and then print, but a) this is time consuming and b) this doesn't remove the chapter separations. Agree with you 100%, KS4J.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 1:21 PM

Chakde India:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Personally wish Logos would add an option so could choose when to display chapter and verse numbers, which could be used in all Bibles.

Yes

I tend to copy the passage without paragraphing or verses into Word and then print, but a) this is time consuming and b) this doesn't remove the chapter separations. Agree with you 100%, KS4J.

Logos User Voice suggestion => The possibility to turn off chapter and verse on screen currently has 11 votes (every Logos user has 10 votes, which allow a maximum of 3 for one suggestion)

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Bethany Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 1:22 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
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Great minds think alike, etc etc. I was about to look for that! Thanks for the link. I was also interested to read this thread.

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