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Darrell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 3 2012 7:48 PM

 

Great discussion and input going on here in the area of “searching”. Obviously we all want and need accurate results from our “searches” whether for ministry purposes or personal study. It’s my understanding the “surface text” search should not consider any underlying Greek or morphological tagging associated with the text.

So I took the time to try and clarify these search results because they occur in adjacent verses and can be easily viewed in one layout.

Searched for:     life ANDNOT “the life”

Searched only “1st John”, used 8 bibles for the search, some with reverse interlinear and some without. All interlinear panes turned off, all visual filters turned off and turned on “Bible text only” for clarity within the individual bibles.  Placed all in a simple layout for easy viewing of 1John 1:1-2. Notice the shading denoting the hits scored in these first 2 verses, all scoring a hit for “life” at the end of verse one but only NRSV, NLT, ISV and HCSB scoring hits in verse 2.

 

 

I was hoping someone from Logos would have chimed in by now because I think our sincere approach has uncovered a slight problem in the way the software is handling “surface text” searches.

Does anyone see something I’m over looking in setting up this search or some other reason as to why it’s not returning accurate results?

 

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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 3 2012 8:15 PM

Darrell:

I was hoping someone from Logos would have chimed in by now because I think our sincere approach has uncovered a slight problem in the way the software is handling “surface text” searches.

Does anyone see something I’m over looking in setting up this search or some other reason as to why it’s not returning accurate results?

I think your searches are returning accurate results. 1 John 1:2 isn't returned in some of these hits because the translations have "the life" in this verse. The way the search is set up, it tells the search engine to exclude any verse which has "the life." Those versions which show a hit for 1 John 1:2, translate this phrase differently, such as "this life". These searches aren't using anything but the surface text.

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Darrell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 3 2012 10:36 PM

Ah I see Gary, Thank you,,

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 12:38 PM

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also learned Logos 4.5b on Mac lacks not symbol for visual display

This issue has been resolved in a future update. Thank you.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 23 2012 7:36 AM

Ann Boyles:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

also learned Logos 4.5b on Mac lacks not symbol for visual display

This issue has been resolved in a future update. Thank you.

Concur Logos 4.5c Release Candidate 1 includes this fix.

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Scott Groethe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 28 2021 3:53 AM

I'm trying to find instances of "gradual" and "liturgy" and not "gradually"

In Google Chrome I believe the "and not 'gradually'" you can just use the minus sign

So the Logos search a) "-gradually AND (gradual NEAR liturgy)" still gave me hits with the word "gradually"

b) "(gradual NEAR liturgy) ANDNOT gradually" gave me no hits at all

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 28 2021 4:17 AM

Scott Groethe:
I'm trying to find instances of "gradual" and "liturgy" and not "gradually"

Try turning off Match all word forms in the panel menu

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 28 2021 9:41 AM

Scott Groethe:
I'm trying to find instances of "gradual" and "liturgy" and not "gradually"

Search directive [match all] OR [match exact] can be used while Match All Word Forms is checked

[match all] gradual NEAR liturgy

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 28 2021 11:18 AM

Darrell:
Searched for:     life ANDNOT “the life”

Years later have a Visual Filter for finding Anarthrous Nouns in Greek (using older Morph Search syntax)

(((@N BEFORE 1 WORD lemma:δέ) INTERSECTS (@N NOT AFTER 2 WORDS @D)) OR (@NASF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DASF) OR (@NDSF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DDSF) OR (@NGSF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DGSF) OR (@NNSF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DNSF) OR (@NVSF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DVSF) OR (@NASM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DASM) OR (@NDSM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DDSM) OR (@NGSM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DGSM) OR (@NNSM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DNSM) OR (@NVSM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DVSM) OR (@NASN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @D[AN]SN) OR (@NDSN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DDSN) OR (@NGSN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DGSN) OR (@NNSN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @D[AN]SN) OR (@NVSN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DVSN) OR (@NAPF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DAPF) OR (@NDPF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DDPF) OR (@NGPF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DGPF) OR (@NNPF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DNPF) OR (@NVPF NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DVPF) OR (@NAPM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DAPM) OR (@NDPM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DDPM) OR (@NGPM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DGPM) OR (@NNPM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DNPM) OR (@NVPM NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DVPM) OR (@NAPN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @D[AN]PN) OR (@NDPN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DDPN) OR (@NGPN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DGPN) OR (@NNPN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @D[AN]PN) OR (@NVPN NOT AFTER 4 WORDS @DVPN)) NOT INTERSECTS {Section <GramCon GSharp>}

Reverse Interlinear Visual Filter for finding Anarthrous Nouns (using older Morph Search syntax)

((@N AFTER 1 WORD lemma:δέ) OR (@NASF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DASF) OR (@NDSF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DDSF) OR (@NGSF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DGSF) OR (@NNSF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DNSF) OR (@NVSF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DVSF) OR (@NASM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DASM) OR (@NDSM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DDSM) OR (@NGSM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DGSM) OR (@NNSM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DNSM) OR (@NVSM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DVSM) OR (@NASN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @D[AN]SN) OR (@NDSN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DDSN) OR (@NGSN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DGSN) OR (@NNSN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @D[AN]SN) OR (@NVSN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DVSN) OR (@NAPF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DAPF) OR (@NDPF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DDPF) OR (@NGPF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DGPF) OR (@NNPF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DNPF) OR (@NVPF NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DVPF) OR (@NAPM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DAPM) OR (@NDPM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DDPM) OR (@NGPM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DGPM) OR (@NNPM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DNPM) OR (@NVPM NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DVPM) OR (@NAPN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @D[AN]PN) OR (@NDPN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DDPN) OR (@NGPN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DGPN) OR (@NNPN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @D[AN]PN) OR (@NVPN NOT AFTER 3 WORDS @DVPN)) INTERSECTS (@N NOT INTERSECTS @D) NOT INTERSECTS {Section <GramCon GSharp>}

Caveat: Definite Article alignment with Noun is missing in NLT so Life in 1 John 1:1-2 shows Anarthrous in NLT (incorrect)

Screen shot has visual filters to underline definite articles, prepositions, anarthrous nouns

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 28 2021 2:50 PM

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Search directive [match all] OR [match exact] can be used while Match All Word Forms is checked

[match all] gradual NEAR liturgy

And if he doesn't want to lose the matching forms for the word "liturgy", he can try: [match exact] gradual NEAR liturgy,liturgies,liturgical

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