Hebrew word search

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Carlton Gardner | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 17 2009 3:41 PM

Can someone help.  I am trying to search for  Hebrew imperatives that have on 2 characters. I cant seem to get the right code.

 

Thanks for any help or guide to some additional data.

carl

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Mark Allison | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 18 2009 10:19 AM

I'm curious about this too. I know you can do this in Accordance in about 3 seconds (1 second per mouse click). No idea how to do it with Logos. Anyone else have an answer?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2009 4:56 PM

CarltonGardner:
I am trying to search for  Hebrew imperatives that have on 2 characters. I cant seem to get the right code.

Did you mean "only two Hebrew characters long"? If you did it may be possible in L3, but it'll take a lot longer than 3s.

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Carlton Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2009 7:03 AM

Yes I mean like the word  go   LK  in Gen 12:1   The normal verb is three characters but in several instances it drops to two when used as  an imperative.  The operators that are used in the search of the Hebrew are not clear to me.  I do not know how to exclude words longer than two characters in length.

thanks for the reply 

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Mark Allison | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2009 7:15 AM

Here's a list I generated from Accordance. Sorry I can't help you with your Logos question though...

7701.2-letter Hebrew Imperatives.pdf

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Carlton Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2009 5:40 PM

Thanks Mark.  I wil go through the list.  Could you explain Accordance. I do not know that term.

thanks again Carl.

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Mark Allison | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:46 AM

http://www.accordancebible.com

I'd like to add that I wouldn't be giving out a competitor's information if someone from Logos would have answered what should be a very basic question. Frankly, I still would like to know the answer to this question. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:56 AM

CarltonGardner:

Thanks Mark.  I wil go through the list.  Could you explain Accordance. I do not know that term.

thanks again Carl.

Accordance is another Bible study application, sometimes referred to in these forums as "that other software". http://www.accordancebible.com/ 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 2:43 AM

CarltonGardner:

Yes I mean like the word  go   LK  in Gen 12:1   The normal verb is three characters but in several instances it drops to two when used as  an imperative.  The operators that are used in the search of the Hebrew are not clear to me.  I do not know how to exclude words longer than two characters in length.

You can't restrict a result word to a particular length in L4 nor L3.

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Mark Allison | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:03 AM

Dave Hooton:
You can't restrict a result word to a particular length in L4 nor L3.

Wow, are you sure about that? That's an extremely basic and important function for any kind of study in the original languages. I really think there has to be a way to perform a search in the Hebrew and limit the search based on word length. 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 4:48 AM

Mark Allison:
I'd like to add that I wouldn't be giving out a competitor's information if someone from Logos would have answered what should be a very basic question. Frankly, I still would like to know the answer to this question. 

 

I'd like to point out that this is a serious thing for the end users.

As has been pointed out before, Logos has lived with the bad rap of "ok for commentaries and things, but it's not a serious language tool" for a long time.

This, in my mind, is the last frontier for Logos. There are a few small things that have been asked for here on the forums, some have been addressed (yay! variation of the graphical query search!) and some are yet to be pointed out....

I'm not sure (because I don't understand) why a "letter count" search is important, but if it's one of those "every good exegetical software does this" sort of things...then might I suggest that Logos take a look?

 

Personally, I'd like to keep to one piece of bible software and not have to purchase a second because there are things that Logos cannot do that the competitors do....

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 3:08 PM

Mark Allison:
That's an extremely basic and important function for any kind of study in the original languages.

My experience is with Indo-European roots not Hebrew roots so I have a question - why does a Hebrew scholar want to do searches based on word length?

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 6:49 PM

I'm out of the office right now, so I'm going to have to test this specific search when I get back. But the short answer is: we didn't have time to get pattern matching into the Nov 2 release. It is, however, in the 4.0a Beta that is downloadable now. This supports 2 types of pattern matching: 1) DOS-like wildcards (which should be sufficient for the present example) and 2) Regular Expressions (very powerful pattern matching syntax). Libronix DLS 3 supported Regular Expressions, but it took rather a bit of skill to construct them for right-to-left languages. In Logos 4, we support transliterating the Hebrew (using basically the same keys as the Logos Hebrew Keyboard), so that the entire Regular Expression can be parsed from left to right, and so they are much easier to compose.

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Carlton Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2009 10:58 AM

If you believe that Hebrew is the language that God spoke the universe into existance with then the element or the basic root of the 3 letter verb would be the two letter imperative. Then the three letter verb becomes a combination of two 2 letter elements. This is like the combination of elements to make molecules.  I appreciate the question.

carl

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