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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 4:46 AM

My own prognostication is that the dry bones will begin to rattle when L5 peeks out.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 7:34 AM

Paul Golder:
As I and the rest of the world on a limited budget sit back and watch Logos pass us by...

Well you'll have to put me in that camp, too, if anything I said came true.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 8:04 AM

Mark Smith:

Paul Golder:
As I and the rest of the world on a limited budget sit back and watch Logos pass us by...

Well you'll have to put me in that camp, too, if anything I said came true.

Welcome to the club Smile If it does come true there will be a lot of us...Sad

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 8:37 AM

Paul Golder:

Mark Smith:

Paul Golder:
As I and the rest of the world on a limited budget sit back and watch Logos pass us by...

Well you'll have to put me in that camp, too, if anything I said came true.

Welcome to the club Smile If it does come true there will be a lot of us...Sad

I'm on a rather strict budget, but if a new version of Logos is minted which requires a more powerful level of hardware, I will someway find the resources if the program itself is worthy.  I would rather not be offered a half-baked version the way Logos 4 was when it first appeared.  It is not reaching a level of acceptability though there are some features which still need to be added such as a calculation of weights and measures.  Overall it is getting to be a very good program—and there is already talk of a new version?

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 8:51 AM

No new hardware pleaseeeeee. I am anxious in a way for L5 to get out of the door, then they can work on L6 from the ground up. L6 will be the one that actually makes everyone smile. And yes, it will need new hardware to handle all of its massive databases and inter-connectivity.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 10:50 AM

George Somsel:
Overall it is getting to be a very good program—and there is already talk of a new version?

Hey, we're working on 4.6 now. There isn't much left before 5. (I do get your point, however.)

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 10:58 AM

Mark Smith:

George Somsel:
Overall it is getting to be a very good program—and there is already talk of a new version?

Hey, we're working on 4.6 now. There isn't much left before 5. (I do get your point, however.)

As far as I'm concerned, they can take it up to 4.99999, just don't bring out a program that takes 2-3 yrs to develop to where it's usable (by which time they're ready to bring out yet another half-baked program and start the cycle all over again).

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 11:06 AM

As for me, I've been on sabbatical since mid April. I've sometimes monitored but rarely commented in the forums during that time. Just started with a few responses this week.

Another possible reason for the slow down in posts by some of us, is that there are many more non-MVPs who are very able to help others solve problems, and there are a lot fewer problems folks here haven't learned to solve on their own.

If there is a Logos 5 beta out there, I'd feel privileged to test it, but so far, I haven't had an invitation. (hint, hint)

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 12:15 PM

Lynden Williams:

No new hardware pleaseeeeee. I am anxious in a way for L5 to get out of the door, then they can work on L6 from the ground up. L6 will be the one that actually makes everyone smile. And yes, it will need new hardware to handle all of its massive databases and inter-connectivity.

If L6 is going to be a rewrite from the ground up why do L5?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 12:56 PM

David Ames:
If L6 is going to be a rewrite from the ground up why do L5?

Rebranding. L4 has a bad rep. L5 is simply L4 renamed - complete, with several more user requested enhancements and nearly bug free.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 7:47 PM

MJ. Smith:
Rebranding. L4 has a bad rep. L5 is simply L4 renamed - complete, with several more user requested enhancements and nearly bug free.

I can hear the marketing now: "Logos 5: All You Thought Logos 4 Was Supposed to Be!" (Will that sell?)

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 8:27 PM

David Ames:

Lynden Williams:

No new hardware pleaseeeeee. I am anxious in a way for L5 to get out of the door, then they can work on L6 from the ground up. L6 will be the one that actually makes everyone smile. And yes, it will need new hardware to handle all of its massive databases and inter-connectivity.

If L6 is going to be a rewrite from the ground up why do L5?

It will take so long to write it over again from scratch, they will need to keep a separate team working concurrently on the old code base to release L5 to keep the upgrade addicts happy in the meantime. Otherwise there might be two or three years between releases, and that wouldn't do!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 8:37 PM

Mark Smith:
All You Thought Logos 4 Was Supposed to Be!" (Will that sell?)

Mark, you know Logos only sells the resources.  Wink

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 8:40 PM

Rosie Perera:
It will take so long to write it over again from scratch, they will need to keep a separate team working concurrently on the old code base to release L5 to keep the upgrade addicts happy in the meantime. Otherwise there might be two or three years between releases, and that wouldn't do!

I would be just as happy if they spent 5 yrs between releases.  In the meantime they should only concentrate on

1. Tweeks to the current version.
2. Develop and test the upcoming version until it's bullet-proof.

BTW:  At the moment sometimes the links I insert in my notes to resources show up (blue) and other times they don't even though the link is still there and works.  Any ideas?

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 8 2012 10:35 PM

George Somsel:

I would be just as happy if they spent 5 yrs between releases.  In the meantime they should only concentrate on

1. Tweeks to the current version.
2. Develop and test the upcoming version until it's bullet-proof.

I totally agree!

 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 9 2012 2:39 AM

George Somsel:

I would be just as happy if they spent 5 yrs between releases.  In the meantime they should only concentrate on

1. Tweeks to the current version.
2. Develop and test the upcoming version until it's bullet-proof.

This is scary for me to say, but I agree with George Geeked

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 9 2012 3:08 AM

George Somsel:

I would be just as happy if they spent 5 yrs between releases.  In the meantime they should only concentrate on

1. Tweeks to the current version.
2. Develop and test the upcoming version until it's bullet-proof.

That only works if the 'current version' already is 'bullet-proof', which is definitely not the case with this 'current version'. After two years of waiting, it still takes me 8-10 hours to get 5-10 minutes work done. The rest goes to fighting with and reporting bugs. 

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Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 7:46 PM

fgh:

George Somsel:

I would be just as happy if they spent 5 yrs between releases.  In the meantime they should only concentrate on

1. Tweeks to the current version.
2. Develop and test the upcoming version until it's bullet-proof.

That only works if the 'current version' already is 'bullet-proof', which is definitely not the case with this 'current version'. After two years of waiting, it still takes me 8-10 hours to get 5-10 minutes work done. The rest goes to fighting with and reporting bugs. 

Something doesn't seem right there. Maybe your at a level of study far above me but I don't have those types of issues....

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 8:06 PM

Alexander Longacre:

fgh:

George Somsel:

I would be just as happy if they spent 5 yrs between releases.  In the meantime they should only concentrate on

1. Tweeks to the current version.
2. Develop and test the upcoming version until it's bullet-proof.

That only works if the 'current version' already is 'bullet-proof', which is definitely not the case with this 'current version'. After two years of waiting, it still takes me 8-10 hours to get 5-10 minutes work done. The rest goes to fighting with and reporting bugs. 

Something doesn't seem right there. Maybe your at a level of study far above me but I don't have those types of issues....

Neither do I.  If I had, I would be back to using L3 (Perhaps that is why Denise still uses L3?).

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Jeremy White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 8:34 PM

I think version 5  in terms of functionality will be not be as huge a deal as the switch to version 4 was.

Remember Logos is now following a much more incremental (agile) development methodology now. In some parts of IT this is quite normal. For instance, I do consulting related to a cloud based system that has 3 major releases per year.

I think it is much more likely that a version 5 would be more of a repackaging of resources, maybe some bundling deals for extra content or the launch of some of the more powerful search functions that Bob has previously talked about. The good thing about those changes is that they are likely to be cloud based functions instead of relying on the local hardware so people's concerns about having to upgrade their machines will (hopefully) be unfounded.

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