Logos Is Too Expensive

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Glenn H | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 14 2019 7:33 PM

AMEN brother!

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 14 2019 7:42 PM

Is it Easter? Lots of old threads are resurrected today lol

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 14 2019 7:49 PM

Wild Eagle:
Lots of old threads are resurrected today lol

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 15 2019 2:12 AM

MJ. Smith:

Wild Eagle:
Lots of old threads are resurrected today lol

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 15 2019 10:52 AM

While I have no doubt valid points were made (I did not review the thread) this is addressing a very different time. Faithlife now offers its free basic packages now as well as $100 fundamental packages to enter. Logos will always remain too expensive for people who want everything free, it remains a good value for most who want to use current tools to study the Bible.

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Oldnewbie | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 17 2019 5:08 AM

I'm afraid I don't get on the forums very often anymore because I work materially and minister in a church, but as has been stated this is not the first (or the last, I imagine) time this has come up on the forums. I agree that each of us must make decisions as to what we want to get for our purchase.  I have spent a lot of money with Logos and I admit I don't use the software nearly as efficiently as I could for lack of time, but I also have to take into account the things I must confront.  A quick sampling of the questions I have gotten from young and old or had to teach/preach on in the last few years includes:

Chuch History, Canon, Persian history, biblical interpretation, American history, European history, Hebrew, Greek, inter-testamental period, Roman history, Jewish history, etc.

I need a sizeable library to be able to research/answer these and other questions.  For that reason alone I think Logos is worth it.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 21 2019 9:16 PM

There are many things in this world that each of money for, but the use of our money for the study of Word of God is the best or one of the best uses of our money.

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Rick Carmickle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 21 2019 10:02 PM

In addition to being a pastor, I am also an attorney. I often pay $100-$300 for books because of the value they bring to my profession. Logos is somewhat like that. It is for those who are professionals. Unfortunately, it is not for all.  But fortunately for those who are professionals, or for those who can afford it, it brings great value to their teaching, preaching, and research capabilities. 

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Daniel Shipton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 4:10 AM

I agree.  The new merger with Wordsearch forced me back to try the free Logos they offered.  They haven't transferred part of my library.  The use of logos is far less user friendly than Wordsearch.  And I can't write my sermon on the program unless I want to pay way too much.  

Not only is cost too much but including at least a basic writing program within the document and not merely a verse note should be standard and not part of a higher package, or they should have allowed incoming customers with Wordsearch to come in at the silver level.  

It's all about the money.  Aquiring Wordsearch is a business move to take out competitive program without improving or offering better cost at all.  

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 4:30 AM

Daniel Shipton:
They haven't transferred part of my library.

Not everything is happening at once and many resources haven't been yet converted to Logos.

Daniel Shipton:
they should have allowed incoming customers with Wordsearch to come in at the silver level.

Why should you get free resources you haven't paid for? Do you mean something about feature sets instead? 

Daniel Shipton:
It's all about the money.

Well no... and yes. Faithlife is a business which partners with the Church to provide access to bible study materials. It IS about the money in a sense because it costs money to create software. Lifeway hasn't done a great job of staying in business... they had to close all of their stores! Now they are closing down Wordsearch. It is much better for Wordsearch users that FL purchased the business than for it to go belly up altogether. 

Daniel Shipton:
at least a basic writing program within the document

I am not quite sure what Wordsearch had and how it compares to what FL offers. Can you explain specifically what you are trying to do? 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 4:39 AM

Daniel Shipton:
The use of logos is far less user friendly than Wordsearch
That's funny, I think Logos is WAY more user friendly than WordSearch ever was.

Daniel Shipton:
Not only is cost too much but including at least a basic writing program within the document and not merely a verse note should be standard and not part of a higher package.
Let's be fair, the Notes Tool is much more than a "verse note" editor. If you wanted to, you could write a full fledged sermon in that tool.

Daniel Shipton:
or they should have allowed incoming customers with Wordsearch to come in at the silver level.  

Why should they have done this? That makes no sense at all. What if a WordSearch user had the free WS version and a few books. Why should they have automatically gotten a silver package in Logos when the rest of us had to pay for it? They are getting all of their WS resources...and you can still use WS for the time being.

Daniel Shipton:
It's all about the money.  Aquiring Wordsearch is a business move to take out competitive program without improving or offering better cost at all.

I can tell you, having been a Logos user (and WS, and Accordance) for years, I have gotten to know much of the staff, including executive staff, and I know that this is not true at all. Money is important, you cannot make good software without capital. It just can't be done. However, to say it is all about money? No.

One of the biggest reasons, from what I can see, for the acquisition is to be able to offer resources Logos users have been crying for years to have in their libraries in a world-class software instead of, in my opinion, a much inferior software separately.

Also, let's be honest, it is no secret that Lifeway is not doing well having just closed all of their brick and mortar stores. This was going to happen sooner or later and I am glad it was Faithlife. 

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 5:55 AM

Joel Reed:
Are Christians here to make lots of money through ministry, or help other Christians grow in their faith?

I think both of them. This may not speak to all Christians. But as long as you have mentioned Christians The more money they get the more can produce valuable materials. Regarding Faithlife if they profit more we get advantage from it as well. The company will be stable to continue  and will increase in quality in its products. I can say that they are on a mission to spread the Gospel by occupying the ministers with a great valuable Bible Software.   

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 5:56 AM

Daniel Shipton:

I agree.  The new merger with Wordsearch forced me back to try the free Logos they offered.  They haven't transferred part of my library.  The use of logos is far less user friendly than Wordsearch.  And I can't write my sermon on the program unless I want to pay way too much.  

Not only is cost too much but including at least a basic writing program within the document and not merely a verse note should be standard and not part of a higher package, or they should have allowed incoming customers with Wordsearch to come in at the silver level.  

It's all about the money.  Aquiring Wordsearch is a business move to take out competitive program without improving or offering better cost at all.  

Daniel, I think your critique should be for LifeWay. Why did LifeWay acquire it Wordsearch? What has LifeWay done with it? I doubt that Wordsearch has been that great a competitor to Logos. I have Wordsearch and rarely used it. As far as sermon preparation goes, I’ve never gotten into the Logos word processing or sermon notes or whatever it is that Logos has. I may, but I’ve found Pages to do all I need.

Frankly, I’ve found Logos very much worth the money and am happy to see Wordsearch come over. I think it’s a win for WS users.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 6:01 AM

Bill Moore:
Frankly, I’ve found Logos very much worth the money and am happy to see Wordsearch come over. I think it’s a win for WS users.

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 6:32 AM

Tes:

Joel Reed:
Are Christians here to make lots of money through ministry, or help other Christians grow in their faith?

I think both of them. This may not speak to all Christians. But as long as you have mentioned Christians The more money they get the more can produce valuable materials. Regarding Faithlife if they profit more we get advantage from it as well. The company will be stable to continue  and will increase in quality in its products. I can say that they are on a mission to spread the Gospel by occupying the ministers with a great valuable Bible Software.   

Would that improvement include a dating service, TV channel, and books on UFO's?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 6:39 AM

Bill Moore:
Daniel, I think your critique should be for LifeWay. Why did LifeWay acquire it Wordsearch? What has LifeWay done with it?

Lifeway acquired WS in 2011, apparently. Ironically, that was just after Logos began producing the Logos4-8 series. Major, major investment. (Be quiet, Libby!)

I think 'price'y' will always dog Logos, even though the cost per purchased book is quite low. I'm choosey, avoid the packages, go for academic (Brill!), and still end up at $6 per book. Less than my novels on Amazon. 

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 6:42 AM

Rene Atchley:
Would that improvement include a dating service, TV channel, and books on UFO's?

Absolutely optimistic it is only a matter of time.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 6:45 AM

Daniel Shipton:

they should have allowed incoming customers with Wordsearch to come in at the silver level.  

I don't want to beat a dead horse but I've seen this argument and variants of it all over the forums since the merger and I must say it baffles me. Faithlife buying WS allows users to continue accessing their books into the near future.  If they didn't buy it, where would the books go? I've seen companies buy up old companies and let them die in the past. 

I'm no Stan but I feel like Logos is bending over backward trying to accommodate users with their books and perks and other whistles where they could have just said we now own it and transferred what we could, you figure out the rest.  Could this transition have been smoother... yes most definitely.  Change is hard, I get it.  I use both WS and Logos.  I do prefer Logos but WS had resources I couldn't get in Logos and they gave away free books every Friday so I had both :).  If I have one piece of advice to WS users is to just relax and be patient.  Faithlife is great in some aspects and slow in others. From looking at the forums, they are working late nights trying to get everyone up and running.  I cannot imagine the work needed to review every WS users library and match them to resources on their side.  Once the dust settles, I'm confident you'll like the software.  

PS: WordSearch is still operational and will be into the near future.  It just wont' receive any updates so there is no rush.

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 8:17 AM

Yesterday I noticed that my WS items weren't transferring into my Logos program which was a bit annoying.  So I called customer service and merged the different two different accounts (different email addresses) which a few hours later ended up downloading over 1300 items into Logos.  In essence my WS money wasn't lost by simply spending time working with FL people to minimize my cost for switching and maximizing useability of Logos. Now I have to spend several hours trying to figure out how to use this beast for my increased comfort...as opposed to just opening up WS and using it...there's a lesson for the elves at FL.

My prior post was my attempt to be a bit satirical because, as I recall, all those items have been tried by FL in an attempt ( I suppose) to introduce new revenue streams...with less than ideal results.  Is this beast too expensive?  Well yes...as leadership has indicated it's a "business" which is now a near monopoly.  When I own all the crops whose to stop me from charging whatever price I want for the corn?

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 8:49 AM

Rene Atchley:

Yesterday I noticed that my WS items weren't transferring into my Logos program which was a bit annoying.  So I called customer service and merged the different two different accounts (different email addresses) which a few hours later ended up downloading over 1300 items into Logos.  In essence my WS money wasn't lost by simply spending time working with FL people to minimize my cost for switching and maximizing useability of Logos. Now I have to spend several hours trying to figure out how to use this beast for my increased comfort...as opposed to just opening up WS and using it...there's a lesson for the elves at FL.

My prior post was my attempt to be a bit satirical because, as I recall, all those items have been tried by FL in an attempt ( I suppose) to introduce new revenue streams...with less than ideal results.  Is this beast too expensive?  Well yes...as leadership has indicated it's a "business" which is now a near monopoly.  When I own all the crops whose to stop me from charging whatever price I want for the corn?

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