Upgrade to higher package version?
Hallo,
I am considering to buy my first package for LOGOS 4.
My question is: If I buy e.g. Original Languages package, is it possible to upgrade after some time to e.g. Scholar's Library package? If yes what is the price of the upgrade?
Thank you
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Pavel Škoda said:
is it possible to upgrade after some time to e.g. Scholar's Library package?
If that is your ultimate plan, you might consider going with Scholars first.
Pavel Škoda said:If yes what is the price of the upgrade?
Don't know for certain, but probably a little more than the price difference between the two packages. The final cost will also take into consideration any additional resources you purchase that are in Scholars but not in OL. However, the credit will not be the full price of previous purchases.
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I agree with Jack, I upgraded from the Bible Study package to the Original Languages package which added the resources from both into one library. The OL alone as a starter package lacks many good resources such as English bible versions, commentaries, dictionaries, etc that the Scholar package would provide. If you can handle the cost increase go with Scholar as a starter.
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Pavel Škoda said:
Hallo,
I am considering to buy my first package for LOGOS 4.
My question is: If I buy e.g. Original Languages package, is it possible to upgrade after some time to e.g. Scholar's Library package? If yes what is the price of the upgrade?
Thank you
If possible I would definitely go ahead and get the Scholars. Put it on a payment plan if you need to but it is worth every penny. And, as others have said, you will probably find yourself wanting to upgrade quickly anyway if you just by the Original Languages pack. Go ahead and do it from the start.
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Dennis Miller said:
The OL alone as a starter package lacks many good resources such as English bible versions, commentaries, dictionaries, etc that the Scholar package would provide.
And Scholar's lacks many good language resources that OLL would provide.
Jack Caviness said:However, the credit will not be the full price of previous purchases.
Unless you're me.[:P] I first bought OLL+Scholar's upgrade during the 25% off sale in the autumn of 2010, then, a couple of months later, I upgraded further, and got such a good price that I ended up with a 30% discount on the total (not just the upgrade). [:D]
Pavel, always contact a sales rep before you buy (and especially before you upgrade). They can sometimes/often give better prices than the website.
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Pavel Škoda said:
I am considering to buy my first package for LOGOS 4.
My question is: If I buy e.g. Original Languages package, is it possible to upgrade after some time to e.g. Scholar's Library package? If yes what is the price of the upgrade?
As has already been said the cost of upgrading will be a bit more than the difference between the two packages.
Benefits of buying bigger sooner are as outlined elsewhere i.e. you get the extra you may need/want sooner and at a better price. Not convinced personally that this still makes sense if you need to use a payment plan to get the bigger package. A quick way to decided if it is really worth it is to determine which of the additional books you really want then decide if that list is worth $200.
Benefits of upgrading later are:
- You have time with the Original Languages Library to figure out what is missing for you. This is not as easy as it seems and there are differing voices here on the forums. So if languages are what really matters to you there may be a better way to spend the extra $200. I would go a stage further and say that if languages are your thing check with George Somel before spending the $200.
- You spread you financial outlay based on what you can afford when you can afford it which gets you off to a good start with the Logos bug. In case you have not heard the Logos bug is the one that drives you on a daily basis to buy more Logos resources using you credit card, we all suffer from this although some of us are in recovery.
- You actually spend the right amount of time getting to know what is in your library. Crazy as it sounds I think that you can have too big a library too fast! One of my largest book purchases was the Christmas 2010 offering that added 1,061 resources to my library two and a half years later I'm still discovering books that were part of that package that I did not realise I own!
The Logos packages are promoted as the larger packages delivering greater value, this is only true if the larger package contains works that you actually want or that subsequently prove to be useful. I think that I have what could be described as a mid sized library of 6,680 resources I actually use very few of these on a regular basis and most of them I interact with only through the search and cited functions. The ability of Logos to take my entire library and help me navigate to the relevant pages never ceases to amaze me but it should be noted that there are a limited number of fresh ideas and perspectives that are on offer and I often end up reading the same thing by a number of different authors.
Simple answer to your question is that Logos makes it easy to upgrade packages later and that you will pay a small premium for doing this later rather than sooner.
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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Graham Owen said:
Benefits of upgrading later are:
4. If you don't buy OLL first, you will have to upgrade all the way to Gold (or is it Platinum?) to get the books you missed out on. If you know you'll eventually want to do that anyway, then Scholar's might make sense. If not, and if you want those OLL language resources that aren't in Scholar's, then starting with OLL definitely makes more sense (though it's possible to buy an upgrade to Scholar's at the same time, which is what I did (just make very sure you buy OLL+Scholar's, and not Scholar's+OLL, which I understand to be considerably more expensive)).
Graham Owen said:two and a half years later
I think your math is off by a year. [;)]
Graham Owen said:Not convinced personally that this still makes sense if you need to use a payment plan to get the bigger package.
Agreed! Unless you absolutely have to have things now, why waste money on payment plans that you could use on resources?
In fact, if you aren't in a hurry there's a good chance there'll be a 10-15% discount during Pastor Appreciation Month (October?). Of course, there's no guarantee, and it's also possible a sales rep can give you that now. Or perhaps you qualify for the Academic discount, which is considerably more.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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Thanks very much to all. I appreciate your advice & suggestions.
I definitely see LOGOS as a very usefull tool. Hoping to take right decision soon [:)]
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Pavel ... I have the OLL package and went to Logos.com to see what the upgrade costs are.
For each level above OLL, it's about $350 (scholars, $350, silver about $700, etc).
As as several noted above, Logos periodically discounts the upgrade. So it all depends on 'where you're going'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I've been interested in English Bible versions for 8½ years. I would definately say that the versions that the Scholar's package add, are NOTHING to have. The most expensive purchases I've made were the OLL ($333), Catholic Foundations
Library ($212), Hermeneia/Continental Commentaries ($600) and soon the ICC -volume on 2 Cor 1-7 by Thrall ($110).Commentaries can be a bit difficult. There may be introductory level commentaries in Scholar's, but if You want:
Believers Church Bible
Commentary (BCBC) (19 vols.) then Scholar’s Library: Platinum includes it as well as:- Holman New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
- Keil and Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament (10 vols.)
- NAC (37 vols.)
- NIGTC (13 vols.)
- Pulpit (77 vols.)
- UBS NT Handbook (20 vols.)
- UBS OT Handbook (21 vols.)
However, Believers Church Bible
Commentary Upgrade (5 vols.) is not included. But when Logos 5 comes, it sounds probably to me that it will include the BCBC Upgrade (5 vols.).Many recommend the Word Biblical
Commentary (WBC) (59 vols.), it's unfortunately not included in any package.I did 2 test the other day that confirmed the results I got 1 year ago from the same test plus a different test: that the closest match to my beliefs is the RCC and the second closest the Anabaptists - so that's why I endorse the Believer's Church Bible Commentary. (Reading a book about Anapbatist theology + investigating right now if there's any Church over here that even partially has Anabaptist leanings.)Personally, I'm satisfied with the dictionaries included in the OLL.I'm not considering upgrading. Which language do You use? If Gk, note that BDAG is not included in packages lower than Sholar's Platinum, so You may want to add it separately, which is $150.
Dennis Miller said:I agree with Jack, I upgraded from the Bible Study package to the Original Languages package which added the resources from both into one library. The OL alone as a starter package lacks many good resources such as English bible versions, commentaries, dictionaries, etc that the Scholar package would provide. If you can handle the cost increase go with Scholar as a starter.
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Yes, I noticed that unfortunatelly the top quality commentaries and dictionaries are not included in "common" base packages.
Personally I am planing as a next step Expositor's Bible Commentary (revised version) and BDAG.
And of course there is much more what could be added to my wish list [:)] ...0 -
Pavel Škoda said:
I noticed that unfortunatelly the top quality commentaries and dictionaries are not included in "common" base packages.
Sad, but true.
Pavel Škoda said:BDAG.
You will definitely want that to do any serious work in Greek.
BTW: Don't believe anyone mentioned that Logos advertises interest-free, but the payment plan has a $5 USD service charge per payment. If you only finance a small amount that comes to a rather stiff interest charge.
Have you looked at the base package comparison page? http://www.logos.com/comparison
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I was tossing this idea around when I began and it landed on getting Scholar, but it really wasn't long before I went to Platinum. The thing is that languages are just a piece of the pie of doing exegesis and once you know how Logos works it becomes expedient to be more Logos/computer centric. At the same time I'd also encourage you to wrestle with the text first unaided in whatever language you plan on reading.
The payment plan and a larger library lets you concentrate on studying instead of shopping. It also sets a budget in place. I'm grateful for this.
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