Timelines -- Just discovered some Timelines of which I was not previously aware.
Peace to my Logos Forums Brothers and Sisters! *smile* ... and ..... Always Joy in the Lord!
This morning I just discovered some timelines that I didn't know we had available to us. This would be in addition to our library's type:timelines
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Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Thanks for the information. I am confused. I have a faithlife password etc but this resource does not come up in L4. I am told there is a possibility to purchase faithlife but when clicking the link, it leads to nowhere. If I have a faithlife accoount, I am not sure why I cannot access this resource.
Any help would be appreciated. I must be missing something
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Mark said:
If I have a faithlife accoount, I am not sure why I cannot access this resource... I must be missing something.
Yep. it seems you are missing the licence to FSB (Faithlife Study Bible) which you can aquire at http://faithlifebible.com
The FSB is marketed as a subscription which is free until 2014 (enter Coupon Code FREE). FSB comes as a bundle of resources (currently the Study Bible, infographics, photos, videos, the lexham Bible Dictionary and a daily devotional)
Have joy in the Lord!
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I have notice another problem with the FLB infographics. I cannot go directly to all of them, but if I use the back arrow and then the forward arrow the graphic will show up. Here is what I mean. Here is what I got when I tried to go to the timeline of Paul's life.
When I used the back arrow on the graphic and then the forward arrow, here is what I got.
Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Soli Deo Gloria,
Randy
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Thanks for the help. What is the difference between Faithlife Bible and L4? Why would we need both? What resources are available in Faithlife that is not available in L4 besides these timelines that have just been shown?
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The Faithlife Study Bible is a resource that you can use within Logos 4 or, if you are not a Logos user, in a web app.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Mark said:
What is the difference between Faithlife Bible and L4? Why would we need both?
Hm. What is the difference between an 18-wheeler and a forty-foot containerbox? L4 is like a truck, it is a "tool" with the ability to accomplish a task, in this sense carrying a huge library of resources, giving access to it etc. While all of us users have more or less the same truck, it is loaded very differently, according to the content of someone's library. The Original Languages Library will be quite a different thing than the "Home" base package.
We don't need both - we need L4 for anything we want to research with Logos. Luckily the base engine is free. And then we start putting resources on it. That's where the money goes.
Mark said:What resources are available in Faithlife that is not available in L4 besides these timelines that have just been shown?
The FSB as a resource collection is something you load onto the truck, like a container. Currently what's "in the box": the largest study bible out there (I take Logos' word for it ) with the imo unparalleled feature that it self-adapts to half a dozen bible translations, some very cool infographics that really look like 21st century (which includes the timelines, but also more), a couple of videos that show how biblical places look today, high-res color photos to the same purpose, a very good Bible Dictionary that right now has 2,700 entries and a million words.
Quite interesting for many - like me - others that don't like Study Bibles anyway, have the Anchor Yale dictionaries and are not interested in comparing entries with other ones, don't like graphical illustration unless it's targum manuscripts etc might say "so what" and look for other resources.
Astonishingly enough, the FSB currently is free as well - in the future Logos may charge a subscription fee to finance regular updates and enhancements, but I understand that people may cancel their free subscription anytime, so you may testdrive it and see if something's in for you.
Confucius says "free books a happy reader make" (and did you know that 68% of all quotes and statistics on the web are completely made up? [;)] )
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks for all the help, but still confused.
I now have downloaded FL into L4 and can see the resources. But the website tells me that I can not only use FL in L4, I can also use it on the web. When I log into FL on the web, I do not see the resources.
As well, I am not trying to figure out the difference between FL and biblia.com. Why would FL not be combined into biblia.com if you are purchased the FL resources? Or is that the way to access FL resources on the web?
As well, beginning in 2014, is FL then going to be a subscription only resource or is it a resource you purchase (now or then) and then have like any other resource in L4?
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Mark said:
When I log into FL on the web, I do not see the resources.
You need to login to www.biblia.com to read/see the resources.
I can.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Mark said:
Thanks for all the help, but still confused. I now have downloaded FL FSB into L4 and can see the resources.
Good! Glad it works for you so far.
To help a bit against the confusion, I made a small edit to your quoted sentence: You downloaded Faithlife Study Bible, FSB, into L4 - you couldn't download FL (I take this to mean "FaithLife") into L4, since Faithlife.com is an online community/website and the respective app is something for mobile devices.
Mark said:When I log into FL on the web, I do not see the resources.
I'm lost here: where do you log in:
- biblia.com? see below
- Faithlife.com? this is for group discussion etc but doesn't show any resources
- Faithlifebible.com? this is a marketing site with only storefront information, no functionality
Mark said:Why would FL FSB not be combined into biblia.com if you are purchased the FL FSB resources? Or is that the way to access FL FSB resources on the web?
But that's exactly the way it works! - Did you sign into biblia.com, making sure you used the same Logos ID (=email address and password) you used for purchasing the FSB? Then biblia will give you access to all your purchased resources with internet capability, including the FSB. That's how I currently look at an article about OT afterlife by Michael S. Heiser - you should be able to follow this link: http://biblia.com/books/fsb/article/SIDEBAR.OLDTESTAMENTTHEOLOGYOFTHEAFTERLIFE to FSB in biblia.
Mark said:As well, beginning in 2014, is FL FSB then going to be a subscription only resource or is it a resource you purchase (now or then) and then have like any other resource in L4?
Not much is known about how it will really turn out in 2014, and I think this might be subject to the success of FSB until then and the need to finance resource maintenance etc. IIRC, Logos CEO Bob Pritchett once posted some remarks that could be interpreted as if the no-longer-free date may be postponed to a later point in time (as it has been) or indefinitely. If nothing changes, I'd expect Logos to remind us say in March 2014 that the no-longer-free period will start and bill the credit cards of all active subscribers in April with the fee for one year, same in 2015,16,17. Since some users seemed not very happy with this idea, it may well be that they offer a "purchase once and have it" alternative (which would require a new regime for selective resource updates for subscribers only), but that's speculation.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Randall Cue said:
Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Yes. I'll write a bug report in the Mac forum, with a link to this post.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Thanks again for the help. So let me make sure I got this straight.
FL is a community website.
FSB is a resource that is offered for free if you 'purchase' it before 2014
Biblia.com is the website where you can view all you have on L4. If you have FSB, then you can view it and if you do not, then you cannot.
Now another question. Since I now have FSB, is it only free until 2014 or is it free to anyone who 'purchases' it before 2014?
Is there any purpose to FL if one does not have FSB?
Why is FL separate from biblia.com?
I guess what has confused me is why FSB and FL seem to be a separate entity. IN other words, we now have L4, Biblia.com, FL.
I thought Biblia.com was a work in progress, where all our resources we have in L4 would be eventually available in the cloud, in the form of Biblia.com. Is the FL marketing a ploy just to get someone to purchase another resource? I know FL is a community forum. But so is Community.logos.com.
So far, the community here has done a much better job in explaining the differences and the purposes of FL than the folks responsible for the FL website. I realize that may be intentional in order to get people to purchase what they would otherwise not feel they need.
Anyway, thanks again for the help and thanks in advance for anyone who wishes to respond to these further questions.
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You're welcome!Mark said:Thanks again for the help.
Yes. [Y]Mark said:So let me make sure I got this straight.
FL is a community website
Yes. [Y] It's a bunch of resources, but Yes.Mark said:FSB is a resource that is offered for free if you 'purchase' it before 2014
Yes. [Y] With a small qualifier regarding the "all" as there's a small number of resources where the publishers didn't grant web accessMark said:Biblia.com is the website where you can view all you have on L4.
Yes. [Y]Mark said:If you have FSB, then you can view it (on biblia.com) and if you do not, then you cannot.
That's something only Logos can tell. I understand that for those who have it, it's at least free until 2014 and as long as they give out the coupon to anyone it's free to them as well at least until 2014. Logos might end that promotion anytime or set up something different.Mark said:Since I now have FSB, is it only free until 2014 or is it free to anyone who 'purchases' it before 2014
Sure, people might use some of the FL community features (such as groups, shared documents etc) completely without Logos resources and use the other (such as Community Notes) for other resources than the FSB. As of today and my limited knowledge, the FSB itself plays no significant role on FL.Mark said:Is there any purpose to FL if one does not have FSB?
That's website design and screen real estate decisions. They are different sites with different purposes, may be used independently. They are integrated, though. One very relevant aspect of FL, the Community Notes, are in biblia.com and you may share quotes from biblia on FL - one could easily imagine it otherwise, such as FL as a "tab" on biblia or so.Mark said:Why is FL separate from biblia.com?
Mark said:I guess what has confused me is why FSB and FL seem to be a separate entity. IN other words, we now have L4, Biblia.com, FL.
Others have been even more confused, since on mobile devices one may use a dedicated FSB-App.... Some people would prefer e,g. "Lexham Study Bible" for the FSB to give more clarity to this. On the other hand, Faithlife is a real good brand name and may sell better to not-yet-users of Logos. And people may use the FSB and the FL features together to reap the most benefit.
Logos may have some long-term strategic plans to this. Right now, "the cloud" can't provide all the computing power contained in L4 (you can't run Guides etc. on biblia)Mark said:I thought Biblia.com was a work in progress, where all our resources we have in L4 would be eventually available in the cloud, in the form of Biblia.com
In the end, Logos sells resources. But FL is a differentiator over other Bible software, and many users have asked for years to be able to share study notes etc. People want to communicate about their books (look into Amazon reviews and the many book forums) and of course they give recommendations.Mark said:Is the FL marketing a ploy just to get someone to purchase another resource?
Right now, they have very different purposes. One could imagine the forums to migrate to FL someday - right now it's better here.Mark said:I know FL is a community forum. But so is Community.logos.com.
The Logos communitity here in the forums really is outstanding. I'm proud to be a part of it.Mark said:So far, the community here has done a much better job in explaining the differences and the purposes of FL than the folks responsible for the FL website.
Have joy in the Lord!
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FWIW: to add to NB's answer.
Faithlife seems to be filling in a gap. Logos developed Proclaim which opened the door for them into the Church market. In Proclaim they generated groups (many of which seem to appear in Faithlife.com). So (guessing here) it seems that this would bridge a gap between Church tools and individual's tools (Logos4 software). This provides a way for Pastors or Teachers to setup groups for studies in Faithlife. This would have a side benefit in that it might make other members of these study groups aware of Logos4 software and become customers.
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Thanks guys for the time to explain. I have been using Logos for over a decade and on the forums for that long as well. I agree that the forum is a very valuable tool and also have been happy to contribute and be apart of it through the years.
Well now that I have FSB I guess i will see if it is worth spending money on if I must one day. I sure hope that Logos finds ways to lay out the explanations more clearly as time goes on.
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