New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
Can anyone explain to me HOW to Use this resource. I have read the How to Section and am still confused. Please help me
Thanks
Brad Heath brad_heath@charter.net
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Brad - Its too late for me to give you a good reply, but I did want to advise you to remove your email address. Spammers WILL pick it up. You have already subscribed to the thread, so any posts will come to you automatically without anyone getting access to your email address.
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Brad Heath said:
Can anyone explain to me HOW to Use this resource. I have read the How to Section and am still confused. Please help me
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A simple answer is to use Passage Guide as it includes NTSK in the Cross References section i.e. that is its main use.
Dave
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Brad Heath said:
Can anyone explain to me HOW to Use this resource. I have read the How to Section and am still confused.
Brad,
welcome to the Logos user forums!
The NTSK follows a concept of "scripture explains scripture". Thus, if there is a certain theme alluded to by a word or sentence in the passage you are studying, NTSK will show you other bible verses that treat this theme and thus may shed light on understanding the passage you are dealing with. Its functionality and approach resembles that of chain-reference study bibles like Thompson.
In addition to what was already said before, I would use the NTSK during studying a certain passage by opening it in a parallel tab, maybe reading the context introduction for the paragraph and then just going accros the multiple references provided by NTSK for the verse I'm studying, since they show up on mouse over. This also works for the figures of speech identified by NTSK and the thematic entries (unfortunately I have no idea how this works out with accessibility tools).
Another way of using it would be to go from the topical index (or the person index or the prayer index) to the relevant scripture listed there.
Does this help?
Mick
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Brad Heath said:
Can anyone explain to me HOW to Use this resource. I have read the How to Section and am still confused. Please help me
Thanks
Brad Heath
Hi Brad,
In the main panel of one of my main layouts for sermon prep & Bible study, I open NTSK as a tab next to the Bible I'm using, & I set it & the Bible to the same link set (so they scroll together to whatever passage I'm looking at). That way, if my passages refers to other Scriptures, I can look at those scriptures as popups or can click on them. I keep a 2nd copy of my favorite Bible open in a floating panel that's usually behind my main panel--and I set that one to receive all links, so when I click a link from NTSK, it doesn't move the main Bible (& NTSK) away from my passage.
Hope this helps...
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Thanks it helps. I was looking at the NTSK itself and trying to understand the keyword breakdown of the verse and how these breakdowns fit into the context of the verse as a whole. Can you breakdown 2 Cor 5.17 as an example?
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Thanks Dave. I love how the Passage Guide opens the references.[:)]
I was looking at the NTSK itself and trying to understand the keyword breakdown of the verse and how these breakdowns fit into the context of the verse as a whole. Can you breakdown 2 Cor 5.17 as an example?
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Notice the bold words. These are word found in your reference (2 Cor 5:17). The bold words are listed in the order that they appear in the scripture verse. Notice the links or refs immediately after a bold word (and before the next bold word). These show information pertaining to the bold word. Below are a few of the refs noted for this verse:
a. When you hover over this you will be shown a chart. Notice that 184A in the chart tells of the use of this word relative to its context in this verse (Conditional)
b. Notice the PLUS sign in front of this ref, hold your mouse over it, you will be told there is addition info. What NTSK is trying to tell you to go to 1 Cor 15:2 in NTSK to find out more info on IF.
c. These refs show you where in Christ is found (in this case its within the same NT book and close by)
19 has 'in Christ', 21 has 'in Him'd. Notice the Astrix, when you hover over it NTSK tells you this is a Clear CrossRef. It has direct context in meaning as our verse.
e. Again we see the PLUS sign, thus more info can be found in NTSK at this reference (very good one here on being in Christ). So you would want to enter Jn 14:20 in the reference box for NTSK to read this.
f. Again we see the astrix, and when hovering over it we are told a Clear CrossRef for our verse.
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Thank's for the blessing Brother. I am mostly blind and this was great for me and eases my somewhat frustrating experience. Thanks to Dave, Mick, and Bill too!
God Bless,
Brad Heath
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Dear Brad,
I am the critter who created the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. The advice given by previous posters is accurate.
There is more help to understanding any given verse in the Bible to be found at that verse in the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge than will likely be found in any other single source, and probably in even any combination of resources you may have access to.
The more you use it, the better it gets!
I use it daily in my own study of the Scripture, and as I said, I'm the one who put it together.
I have a little blog at Real Bible Study dot Com where I have written much about cross reference Bible study and how to use the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. Everyone is welcome to visit and post a comment or a question there.
It is important to use cross references in Bible study because the Bible does not arrange its material in the form of a topical arrangement, though there are topical study Bibles that do so, like Nave's Topical Bible and more recent equivalents. But those are not geared specifically to providing help to understanding a particular verse, but the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge is.
When studying a particular topic or subject of interest in the Bible, no resource gives all the references to the subject. Using the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge will help you find more on a topic than can otherwise be found.
Using a concordance will lead you to some of the verses that pertain to the topic you are searching out. But the concordance will not generally lead you to those verses on the same theme that use a different word than the one you thought of.
The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge will be found to be more complete on such subjects as prayer in the Bible, finding guidance from Scripture, Bible prophecy such as Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Christ at His first advent, and the prophecies yet to be fulfilled at His second advent. See, for example, the extensive cross references given on this theme at 1 Peter 1:11.
Because I ran into the problem that many of my students in my high school Sunday school class were being visited by the local members of the Kingdom Hall of the Jehovah's Witnesses, I did much research (in answer to their questions) and placed the full results in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. This information can be accessed by consulting the Subject Index under "Jehovah's Witnesses, Answers to Doctrinal Errors," on page 1562.
Yes, I really am Jerome H. Smith!
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Interesting site Jerome, and thanks for NTSK, it is an excellent resource! One question - do you have an RSS/Atom feed for your site, so we can get posts sent to us? I am notoriously bad at checking web sites with any regularity, I rely on RSS, Twitter, and integrate them into Flipboard so everything is there for me to read. Any chances?
Thanks!
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Thank you for that wonderful work. I am told it is out of print and you have a new title under Thomas Nelson. I am trying to get a paper copy of your work for a friend. I will check out your web site I really need to learn how to use this resource.
God Bless
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[:)] Jerome,
Thanks for your secret weapon of the various indices at the back, a lot of hard work [:)]
JK
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Dominick Sela said:
One question - do you have an RSS/Atom feed for your site, so we can get posts sent to us? I am notoriously bad at checking web sites with any regularity, I rely on RSS, Twitter, and integrate them into Flipboard so everything is there for me to read. Any chances?
Thanks!
I am not Jerome (obviously) but thought I would answer the question - there is an RSS feed at http://www.realbiblestudy.com/?feed=rss2
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Thanks David! I couldn't find it!
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Steve where do I find the Topic Number Index? See below T#1412
a broken. T#1412. Ps *34:18. 147:3. 2 K *22:19. Is *57:15. 60:1. *61:1-3. *66:2. Ezk *9:3, 4, 6. Mt +*5:3. Lk *18:11-14.
Smith, J. H. (1992). The new treasury of scripture knowledge: The most complete listing of cross references available anywhere- every verse, every theme, every important word (623). Nashville TN: Thomas Nelson.
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Hi Joe,
Joe Mayden said:Steve where do I find the Topic Number Index? See below T#1412
If you look at the top of NTSK for the heading: SYMBOLS AND ABBREVIATIONS you will see the definition/description for the T# entries
So when you see the T# in your scripture, you can click on it as shown below. L4/L5 will show you a popup telling you the Topic and have a link to a scripture in your Bible. (it will not take you to a topic area in NTSK though)
But you can go to near the end of NTSK and you will find Prayer Index which seems to have the T# entries .
PS You might also check the Subject Index near the bottom. It seems to have a lot of T# in them. But i did not find your topic number in them. BTW, you can press Ctrl-F (Cmd-F for mac) and search your book. This is what i did.
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Thanks for the help. I didn't think it had the index but wasn't sure.
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It turns out that the Publisher decided (without consulting me!) to leave the Topic Number Index out of the electronic version.
That was a bad mistake!
There is much material in the Topic Number Index which does not appear in the Subject Index. The first 750 topic number index entries do appear in the Subject Index. Perhaps the publisher thought all the entries did.
For example, the important topic numbers 1014-1109 on The Scriptures is not as accessible as it would be had the Topic Number Index been supplied. Topic numbers 1110 to 1122 on the Perspicuity of Scripture, The Bible's Teaching About Prayer (1123-1820), and fulfilled Messianic Prophecy (1874-1976) are among the very important missing treasures made much harder to access and view in sequence without the full Topic Number Index.
Of course, the printed edition (no longer in print) has all this.
But I am working on a new and much expanded work which will contain all that should be in it, Lord willing. I am 96% of the way through the Bible in my project, currently at Hebrews chapter 10.
Visit www.realbiblestudy.com for current updates and discussion.
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Jerome, thank you for this additional information. I believe that when Logos publishes your updated and expanded material (and I certainly hope they will), it should include all the indexes. I suspect as you do that there might have been an oversight in this. As I recall this was published by Nelson, and I don't know whether Nelson created the resource files or contracted with Logos to do it. In the end they were responsible for the content in the end product. I am pretty sure Logos would do all the content creation if it is redone, but Nelson might still need to order the changes needed.
The NTSK is a great resource and I use it almost any time I am running a topic or looking for additional cross-references. Thanks for your effort.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Thank you, Mark! Great Post! *smile* Jerome, your work is truly appreciated by so very many people!
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