The (future) L5 Library & My Library--Preliminary Sketches

This thread is a branch from this thread. I put this in the General category only because there is no L5 category. Perhaps it is time to create one.
In the "L5...Must Haves" thread, I suggested the need for a customizable library with folders and subfolders to allow users the ability to visually organize their gargantuan libraries. Philana clued me in to the fact that Favorites actually has a folders and subfolders design. I have tested it and what it provides is very close to what I am looking for.
My suggestion is this: Essentially copy Favorites into Library, calling it My Library. Have radial buttons at the top which allow users to turn on or off the two as needed. Library, essentially what L4 has now, would be the "source" and Search location. My Library would be the Favorites-inspired folders and subfolders place to visually peruse My Library. Create your folders in My Library as you please and simply drag and drop your resources from Library into whichever and however many folders you choose. Eureka!!! For me, there are many advantages to this set-up. I find the 4,000+ lines of the current Library to be cumbersome and overwhelming. Using folders, that situation is tamed. Behold My Library:
There it is...all 4000+ items...tamed and comprehensible. Now, in fact, I haven't completed the task of transferring my entire Library into the folders above. Because this is still Favorites and not My Library, it doesn't make sense to do a full transfer now. That will have to wait until next week or next month when L5 comes out (*Not an official release notice ). But I have transferred enough to give a sense of what I am talking about. Hopefully, some of you will see the potential and advantage of this and push for its inclusion in L5.
Above is a breakdown of my Bibles category. I may choose to switch LXX and Greek (meaning NT) to a Greek folder with LXX & NT subfolders...but I like them all on one layout.
Above is my Commentaries breakdown. It isn't complete but shows the concept. Of course, the folders can collapse however one chooses.
For Reference, I include Dictionaries and Encyclopedias (which are often indistinguishable) as well as History. If I was exhaustively completing this transfer, no doubt I would have other folders here as well.
Of course, you may choose to make History a category of its own, or part of another category. That is the beauty of this concept...your Library is YOURS to organize.
One of the things I am most looking forward to when this idea is implemented in L5 () is being able to tame the Perseus Beast. I have a folder for Authors, but after some consideration, I will probably just rely on the "author:" search function of Library to get that breakdown. As a matter of fact, something occurs to me as I'm typing this. Since I have been grateful for Perseus in theory, but maddened by its absurd footprint in my Library, I have wished I could both KEEP it but HIDE it. Since I can make Perseus essentially "go away" by clicking the Library window closed and clicking the My Library window open, I really don't need to include Perseus in My Library after all. I personally only use Perseus when titles come up as references. As such, I don't really need to organize it...I can just click it away.
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Finally, I will have a Stuff category. Essentially it is my junk drawer, but rather than call it Junk or Garbage, which might offend some of you who find such stuff invaluable, I will call it Stuff. I am sure this folder will bulge before I'm finished. The cool thing about this folder is that it SOLVES the need to "remove" items from the Library when you don't want it clogging up your Library visually. Just throw the "stuff" in the Stuff drawer. Of course, if disk space is an issue, you will still need to delete.
I don't how you folks feel about this, but I can tell you that there is a MASSIVE sense of restored peace in my mind that comes from looking at the first screenshot at the top. ORDER!!! SIMPLICITY. Control. I am now a much, much happier Logos camper.
Now...if Logos will just put this in L5....
Oh...and due to the enormous amount of time the user will have to devote to organizing this feature, it MUST be transferable to each successive iteration of Logos in years to come...like the import of L3 notes to L4--only better.
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Thanks David, helpful post. This does look a bit more like what I am thinking about. I'd still prefer a way in preferences to choose between Logos' current way of displaying the library, or my own way of displaying the library. In any case, you are quite right. To actually set this system up (or any individualized system) is a TON of work (maybe Logos' designers can come up with a creative way to speed the process), but it is fundamental that this port from one edition of Logos to the next. Thanks to Philana for the initial suggestion... and to you for developing it... it is a good workaround.
And I'm truly glad if this will help you find Logos to be a more satisfying experience for you. I know that you've been frustrated for a long time.
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EmileB said:
I'd still prefer a way in preferences to choose between Logos' current way of displaying the library, or my own way of displaying the library.
Emile, that is what the radial buttons would do. You would have one to click on and off Library (the current style of alphabetical, mostly unsorted resource listings) and one to click on and off the My Library feature. When dragging items into your created folders, users would have both open side-by-side. I would think most folks would have the Library turned off and My Library turned on for their day-in, day-out usage. But both would only be a click away from being shown or hidden.
EmileB said:And I'm truly glad if this will help you find Logos to be a more satisfying experience for you. I know that you've been frustrated for a long time.
You bring up a good point, Emile. My better mood is currently based on this now tangible POSSIBILITY. This better mood clearly depends on Logos implementing this idea or one quite like it.
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Something occurred to me as I was contemplating this My Library concept. Since the very beginning of L4's existence, when I first suggested having folders for visual organization, I have been inundated with "that's what Collections are for" comments. Emile and others have added to my refrain that they do not address the concern of visual organization because they are designed primarily for searching. However, with the folders option I have laid out here, it certainly seems to me that it would be rather easy to blend the two ideas into one. Each one of the folders in the above system IS a collection--but a collection which has the additional feature of visual presentation. I'm sure combining the two would be simple.
Not being a user of Collections, I don't know all the details of how they work...but the folders and subfolders design might add a feature to Collections that isn't currently available. Using this design, a user could CHOOSE whether to include or exclude subfolders in a given search, broadening or narrowing the search according to preference and need. This may already be an option, I don't know, but it certainly could be with the folders design.
I can't help but think that users will benefit from the visual advantage of folders and subfolders in the creation of their Collections. Simply put, I think this idea is a better way to do Collections.
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For Collections, wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Collections with links to examples => http://wiki.logos.com/Example_Collections and Canonical commentaries => http://wiki.logos.com/Canonical_Commentary_Collections (Logos has a number for each Bible book: e.g. Genesis is 01)
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David Paul said:
Not being a user of Collections, I don't know all the details of how they work...but the folders and subfolders design might add a feature to Collections that isn't currently available.
Collections can be dynamic (e.g. mytag:interlinear --> resources you Tag as "interlinear") or static; where you include resources by name. A collection can also contain another collection but its resources are not separated from the main collection because there is no sub-collection structure. If this was done I'm sure you would be delighted.
David Paul said:Using this design, a user could CHOOSE whether to include or exclude subfolders in a given search, broadening or narrowing the search according to preference and need.
Now we come to the pragmatics of searching vs. resource organization because I would simply choose one relevant collection rather than selecting/deselecting sub-collections e.g.
Bibles type:bible
English Bibles type:bible lang:English
Greek Bibles type:Bible lang:Greek
Hebrew Bibles type:Bible lang:Hebrew
If I added the last three (language) bible collections to Bibles it wouldn't make any difference to the resources shown but it could (if implemented) provide a visible organization by sub-collection. But it would also list bibles in other languages that I don't care about (no sub-folder for these). Searching isn't that simple as I don't want to search all Greek bibles because some would be Septuagint (OT), some Received Text , some interlinear, and there would be different morphologies! So I have collections used only for search as they would not benefit my Bibles view e.g.
Critical Greek Bibles type:Bible lang:Greek subject:N.T. rating:>1 -mytag:TR (NT only, rated above 1 star and not tagged as Received Text).
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