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Vincent Xavier Shaw | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 17 2014 9:15 PM

Michael Childs:

"After about 3 months of using the Surface Pro 2 for 5 plus hours a day, I can say with confidence that you are dead wrong about it.  There are no heat issues with my Surface Pro 2."

Dead wrong, me?  Michael, this is getting old.  No insult meant.  I love my Surface Pro.  So I'm not insulting your SP2 or denying your joyful experience of it.  Bucks well spent for some.

But for JoshInRi, he has another issue:  heat.  Therefore the heat difference between the original SP and the SP2 are important to being helpful.  I'm plainly stating facts based on objective measurements from a 3rd party German computer laboratory, regarding that heat issue.

Based on that temperature test that I linked to, the SP2 is hotter under full load.  If JoshInRi wants a less hot Surface Pro, the hotter SP2 is not a good suggestion.  If your SP2 is cool to touch in your usage, the SP would be cooler in temp.  If JoshInRi original SP is too hot, the SP2 being hotter would therefore not be a good fit because it is even hotter than his use of SP.  If all variables held constant, this logic holds true.

In my case, it's not hot at all.  And with only $40 spent, the FreedomCase that I suggested earlier should be arriving soon.  I might even opt for the awesome Surface Power Cover version that I plan to pick up this week, if it isn't sold out at my local friendly Microsoft Store.  :)

Michael Childs:

Vincent Xavier Shaw:

Michael Childs:

Joshua, I have been so disappointed to read of all the problems you first generation Surface Pro has given you.  When one sacrifices to purchase a tool for ministry, it is disappointing for the end result to be so frustrating.  Personally, I could probably live with the 3.5 hour battery, but the heat and the problems just running the software would be too much.

During seminary, I remember loving my 1 hour battery in my portable 5 lb convertible Tablet PC, the HP TX1.  It's heat was so hot, that some reported their graphics processors' heat sinks slipping off.  I opened mine up and applied thermal compound, Artic Silver, no sweat.  It had a "fast" 7200 rpm mechanical hard drive.  It's literally 20 times slower and hotter than my Surface Pro.  Context is everything, right?

Michael Childs:

One thing that I have concluded, even though the $1300 price tag for a Surface Pro 2 is high - and even out of reach for many - I think one would be better off to wait until he / she can buy a Surface Pro 2 with a 256 Gig HD and 8 Gig of Ram rather than buying the cheaper original Surface Pro.  My experience - other than the high cost - with the Surface Pro 2 has been nothing but positive. Apparently, Microsoft learned much between the original Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2. 

As important as Logos is to us, better a laptop that runs it well than a tablet that runs it poorly.

Your updates and recommendations have probably saved a lot of people a lot of money.  Thanks for the info.

Michael, I respectfully disagree.  The SP2 is not a good suggestion.  Based on my earlier but recent links, thermal tests show the SP2 inferior to the SP.  It's quieter and faster, but it gets hotter under loads.  With SP only $600 now, it's a bargain for a 1.5 lb ultra ultrabook with a real active digitizer.

On the other hand, Android and/or IOS is great for just about everyone.  My Galaxy S4 is much better for many reasons.  I do not favor the gadgetry of clicking around during Bible Class, on irrelevant topics.  Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the Logos goal felicitous serendipity, but that's best on your personal time.  I like Bible study to be about the interaction of the individuals who have prepared ahead, not just fill-in-the-blank stares.  That's another reason why classes benefit from good structure and well-informed order, where students know ahead of time the text to be studied.

At some point, people should be prayerful present as church, not just active busy-ness, but also passively receiving gifts that God is giving.  After all, we have a passive righteousness, and shouldn't our studying somewhat reflect that?

I do use my Greek and Hebrew in multiple windows with commentaries, plus snapping with Kindle, which is why I love the 1080p HD resolution of my Surface Pro.  But in part, this can be also best with simply a Bible and/or smartphone.  My practice so far is all of the above.  haha

Regards,
Vincent

Vincent,

After about 3 months of using the Surface Pro 2 for 5 plus hours a day, I can say with confidence that you are dead wrong about it.  There are no heat issues with my Surface Pro 2.  The digitizer pen for the Surface Pro 2 works great.  It is the only computer I now use, replacing my desktop and my laptop and doing it all better - including Logos 5, editing video, and every task I do.  It handles the load well.  It is by far the best designed computer I have ever used.

That is not an opinion based on any article.  It is based on personal use and heavy use of my Surface Pro.  It is the best tool that I have ever bought, It has made Logos a much better program.

I have taught Bible Studies using the Surface Pro 2 as my Bible (in a leather like cover), and most of my group did not realize that I was not using a paper Bible.  It depends on how one uses it.  I have taken the Surface Pro 2 to a conference, and used Logos with OneNote to take notes during Maxine Dunnam's presentation.  It was a marvelous experience.  Not only was my Logos Bible open, but I took notes by hand in OneNote at the same time, and OneNote also recorded the audio of the lecture.  Then it converted my handwritten notes stop text, and when I tap on the text, it will play back the audio of what Dr. Dunham was saying when I wrote that note.  Of course, credit for most of that belongs to the software - Logos and OneNote, but the Surface Pro 2 ran the software without a flaw.

Simply put, my Surface Pro 2 has wowed me in every way.  I really can't see how ios or Android can compare. 

So I have to respectfully disagree based upon my experience. 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 7:36 AM

Vincent Xavier Shaw:

Michael Childs:

"After about 3 months of using the Surface Pro 2 for 5 plus hours a day, I can say with confidence that you are dead wrong about it.  There are no heat issues with my Surface Pro 2."

Dead wrong, me?  Michael, this is getting old.  No insult meant.  I love my Surface Pro.  So I'm not insulting your SP2 or denying your joyful experience of it.  Bucks well spent for some.

But for JoshInRi, he has another issue:  heat.  Therefore the heat difference between the original SP and the SP2 are important to being helpful.  I'm plainly stating facts based on objective measurements from a 3rd party German computer laboratory, regarding that heat issue.

Based on that temperature test that I linked to, the SP2 is hotter under full load.  If JoshInRi wants a less hot Surface Pro, the hotter SP2 is not a good suggestion.  If your SP2 is cool to touch in your usage, the SP would be cooler in temp.  If JoshInRi original SP is too hot, the SP2 being hotter would therefore not be a good fit because it is even hotter than his use of SP.  If all variables held constant, this logic holds true.

In my case, it's not hot at all.  And with only $40 spent, the FreedomCase that I suggested earlier should be arriving soon.  I might even opt for the awesome Surface Power Cover version that I plan to pick up this week, if it isn't sold out at my local friendly Microsoft Store.  :)

Michael Childs:

Vincent Xavier Shaw:

Michael Childs:

Joshua, I have been so disappointed to read of all the problems you first generation Surface Pro has given you.  When one sacrifices to purchase a tool for ministry, it is disappointing for the end result to be so frustrating.  Personally, I could probably live with the 3.5 hour battery, but the heat and the problems just running the software would be too much.

During seminary, I remember loving my 1 hour battery in my portable 5 lb convertible Tablet PC, the HP TX1.  It's heat was so hot, that some reported their graphics processors' heat sinks slipping off.  I opened mine up and applied thermal compound, Artic Silver, no sweat.  It had a "fast" 7200 rpm mechanical hard drive.  It's literally 20 times slower and hotter than my Surface Pro.  Context is everything, right?

Michael Childs:

One thing that I have concluded, even though the $1300 price tag for a Surface Pro 2 is high - and even out of reach for many - I think one would be better off to wait until he / she can buy a Surface Pro 2 with a 256 Gig HD and 8 Gig of Ram rather than buying the cheaper original Surface Pro.  My experience - other than the high cost - with the Surface Pro 2 has been nothing but positive. Apparently, Microsoft learned much between the original Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2. 

As important as Logos is to us, better a laptop that runs it well than a tablet that runs it poorly.

Your updates and recommendations have probably saved a lot of people a lot of money.  Thanks for the info.

Michael, I respectfully disagree.  The SP2 is not a good suggestion.  Based on my earlier but recent links, thermal tests show the SP2 inferior to the SP.  It's quieter and faster, but it gets hotter under loads.  With SP only $600 now, it's a bargain for a 1.5 lb ultra ultrabook with a real active digitizer.

On the other hand, Android and/or IOS is great for just about everyone.  My Galaxy S4 is much better for many reasons.  I do not favor the gadgetry of clicking around during Bible Class, on irrelevant topics.  Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the Logos goal felicitous serendipity, but that's best on your personal time.  I like Bible study to be about the interaction of the individuals who have prepared ahead, not just fill-in-the-blank stares.  That's another reason why classes benefit from good structure and well-informed order, where students know ahead of time the text to be studied.

At some point, people should be prayerful present as church, not just active busy-ness, but also passively receiving gifts that God is giving.  After all, we have a passive righteousness, and shouldn't our studying somewhat reflect that?

I do use my Greek and Hebrew in multiple windows with commentaries, plus snapping with Kindle, which is why I love the 1080p HD resolution of my Surface Pro.  But in part, this can be also best with simply a Bible and/or smartphone.  My practice so far is all of the above.  haha

Regards,
Vincent

Vincent,

After about 3 months of using the Surface Pro 2 for 5 plus hours a day, I can say with confidence that you are dead wrong about it.  There are no heat issues with my Surface Pro 2.  The digitizer pen for the Surface Pro 2 works great.  It is the only computer I now use, replacing my desktop and my laptop and doing it all better - including Logos 5, editing video, and every task I do.  It handles the load well.  It is by far the best designed computer I have ever used.

That is not an opinion based on any article.  It is based on personal use and heavy use of my Surface Pro.  It is the best tool that I have ever bought, It has made Logos a much better program.

I have taught Bible Studies using the Surface Pro 2 as my Bible (in a leather like cover), and most of my group did not realize that I was not using a paper Bible.  It depends on how one uses it.  I have taken the Surface Pro 2 to a conference, and used Logos with OneNote to take notes during Maxine Dunnam's presentation.  It was a marvelous experience.  Not only was my Logos Bible open, but I took notes by hand in OneNote at the same time, and OneNote also recorded the audio of the lecture.  Then it converted my handwritten notes stop text, and when I tap on the text, it will play back the audio of what Dr. Dunham was saying when I wrote that note.  Of course, credit for most of that belongs to the software - Logos and OneNote, but the Surface Pro 2 ran the software without a flaw.

Simply put, my Surface Pro 2 has wowed me in every way.  I really can't see how ios or Android can compare. 

So I have to respectfully disagree based upon my experience. 

I don't care whether or not you believe me, my friend.  I don't care what experts say.  You can find experts to say anything.

I don't even know what full load means, but I will tell you what I mean.

I know for a fact the Surface Pro 2 in my hands right now can run all day using Logos , Word Pro, and OneNote together, and I feel absolutely no heat problem and hear no annoying fan.   I know because I do it every day.  Well, five days a week, most weeks, and have done it for several months now.  I know this Surface Pro 2 can wirelessly stream a three and half hour Mississippi State Baseball game to my television, and have no heat issues that I can detect.

If experts think otherwise, they are dead wrong, too.  I hold more reliable data in my hands.

Now what am I to believe, my lying eyes and hands, or the experts?

Am I take no offense.  It doesn't matter whether you are insulting my tablet or not.  It does not have hurt feelings, and  I do not care what computer or tablet anyone chooses for themselves.  I am simply sharing my experience.

So, I know you are dead wrong about the Surface Pro 2 and heat issues.  I am sure you are right about many other things.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Tristan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 25 2014 7:43 AM

Hopefully, I can contribute to this conversation for the benefit (at least) of those who are searching for "Surface Pro 2" like I did all over the Logos forums prior to buying mine. 

I purchased the 128GB SP2 with 4G RAM 1.5 weeks ago.  I come from a background of high-performance PCs and carry high-expectations in anything I use.  I also have a technical background, being an electrical engineer by trade.

Michael Childs:
There are no heat issues with my Surface Pro 2.  The digitizer pen for the Surface Pro 2 works great. 

I agree.  The pen is sweet for underlining and hitting the little blue links in the ESV Bible. 

Michael Childs:
It is the only computer I now use, replacing my desktop and my laptop and doing it all better - including Logos 5, editing video, and every task I do.  It handles the load well.  It is by far the best designed computer I have ever used.

I don't yet know if it will replace my PC functionally, but it looks like it's going that direction...

Michael Childs:
It is the best tool that I have ever bought, It has made Logos a much better program.

I'm not sure I can say "best tool" yet, but again, the trend is towards that direction.  It definitely has made Logos MUCH more functional for me.  Reading LOGOS books with full program functionality (including notes, highlighting, lists, etc) while out on my deck is phenomenal.

Michael Childs:
I have taken the Surface Pro 2 to a conference, and used Logos with OneNote to take notes during Maxine Dunnam's presentation.  It was a marvelous experience.  Not only was my Logos Bible open, but I took notes by hand in OneNote at the same time, and OneNote also recorded the audio of the lecture.  Then it converted my handwritten notes stop text, and when I tap on the text, it will play back the audio of what Dr. Dunham was saying when I wrote that note.  Of course, credit for most of that belongs to the software - Logos and OneNote, but the Surface Pro 2 ran the software without a flaw.

I'm very excited to try this!

Michael Childs:
Simply put, my Surface Pro 2 has wowed me in every way.

I wholeheartedly agree.  I plan to offer a full review in a month or so, but for now, let me say that the SP2 I purchased 1.5 weeks ago is wonderful.  I use it daily for my morning Bible study, and evening reading, and it has outperformed my expectations.  Logos runs almost as well as my i7 4770k desktop (perhaps because I'm using the integrated HD4000 graphics engine in the i7, and the i5 in the SP2 has the upgraded HD4400 engine?). 

Michael Childs:
I don't even know what full load means, but I will tell you what I mean.

I know what full load means ;)  I haven't had to push the SP2 that hard yet, since Logos doesn't even get close to taxing the proc. except when setting up a new layout perhaps, or possibly when searching.  Haven't run processor benchmarks against Logos yet, but I may for my review.

Michael Childs:
I know for a fact the Surface Pro 2 in my hands right now can run all day using Logos , Word Pro, and OneNote together, and I feel absolutely no heat problem and hear no annoying fan.   I know because I do it every day. 

Agreed.

For those considering a SP2 for Logos use, please ask me any questions you like.  I'll try to keep an eye on the forums.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 25 2014 12:55 PM

Vincent,

I owned the SP and had the SP2 for a trial. The SP ran much hotter to the touch than the SP2. I underline because the heat dissipates better on the SP2. It may run as hot or hotter in the benchmarks under load, but the key is whether or not you feel that heat.

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 25 2014 1:27 PM

I just purchased a SP (1) recently, and I can honestly say that the heat has never been an issue.  I couldn't be happier with it.

Disclaimer:  I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication.  If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 25 2014 2:57 PM

Joseph Turner:

I just purchased a SP (1) recently, and I can honestly say that the heat has never been an issue.  I couldn't be happier with it.

Yes

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 9:46 AM

um....sorry....there is noticeable heat despite tweaking and there should be better way to kick the fan on.  I notice it works when indexing, however.

Then I hear its working and thats reassuring.

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OCGF1 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 8:08 PM

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that you are having an issue with heat.  I have an SP2 and it's AWESOME!!! No heat problems whatsoever and I have been using it quite extensively.  It has replaced my laptop and I use it for pretty much everything.  Audio & Video editing included.  It renders video and projects my presentations onto a video projection screen and onto hdmi large screen monitors.  I have had no overheating issues thus far.  This thing is a work-horse.  I love it!  Getting used to working with the small screen took some getting used to but by adjusting the fonts and sizing the apps compensates for that and is helpful.  It's too bad the Logos Vyros app doesn't stretch like every other app does.  It seems Logos products aren't optimized for touch.  Even using a mouse to adjust the slide controls in each box is difficult.  Mainly due to it's very tiny size, even on a larger monitor.  But all of my other apps and programs all run flawlessly.  What an awesome machine.  It's just fantastic! Smartest purchase I've made so far this year.  :-)

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Duncan Campbell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 3:25 AM

Has anyone used the Surface Pro to run Logos 5 using a USB 3.0 docking station? One that gives two display outputs for multiple displays. One like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-UD-3000-Universal-2048x1152-Ethernet/dp/B008N06I2I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372875361&sr=1-1&keywords=ud-3000

I just wondered how Logos runs with  USB 3.0 graphics. They are quite expensive to just buy, if the user experience ends up being poor.

Blessings

Duncan

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 2:12 PM

Duncan Campbell:

Has anyone used the Surface Pro to run Logos 5 using a USB 3.0 docking station? One that gives two display outputs for multiple displays. One like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-UD-3000-Universal-2048x1152-Ethernet/dp/B008N06I2I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372875361&sr=1-1&keywords=ud-3000

I just wondered how Logos runs with  USB 3.0 graphics. They are quite expensive to just buy, if the user experience ends up being poor.

Blessings

Duncan

I used this (http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Universal-Notebook-Docking-Ethernet/dp/B002EREH74/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1396818561&sr=1-4&keywords=Kensington+Dock) With Win7 on a laptop with USB3 with acceptable results. I have no reason to suspect there would be problems with L5 operating under Win 8.1 with USB3.

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Ps3 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 8:02 PM

I have used a similar device but not this particular one.  I have had no problems or issues using Logos or the other devices with a USB 2.0 or 3.0 protocol. 

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Terry Roberts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 8:33 PM

Aloha and good evening all

Been pouring over all the posts I can find dealing with Surface Pro 2.  And I've just about convinced myself to go for it. 

Being a computer geek by profession, I know there is no such ting as too much ram or storage.  But the price jump from the 256gb to 512gb is pretty steep at $500. 

so I am looking to you all for your input, thoughts and experiences 

i really want t dump my iPad soon as possible. (wouldn't mind dumping the iPhone as well either)

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 9:06 PM

Terry:

Aloha and good evening all

Been pouring over all the posts I can find dealing with Surface Pro 2.  And I've just about convinced myself to go for it. 

Being a computer geek by profession, I know there is no such ting as too much ram or storage.  But the price jump from the 256gb to 512gb is pretty steep at $500. 

so I am looking to you all for your input, thoughts and experiences 

i really want t dump my iPad soon as possible. (wouldn't mind dumping the iPhone as well either)

,

I went with the 256 GB because of that $500 price jump, and I have not regretted it.  Still got the 8 GB RAM.  And I added a 64 GB SD Card to give me over 300 GB of storage plus bought an external USB HD, which I have not needed yet.

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Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 9 2014 3:53 AM

I chose to take the hit and maximize HD space so I got the 512Gig.

I've had the Surface for a few weeks now and am REALLY enjoying it... it's replaced my laptop completely. I especially am liking the nice crisp HD screen. Beautiful!

And of course, I loooooove having everything with me... full Logos, my stamp collecting software and so forth. Woohoo! Cool

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Ps3 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 9 2014 6:18 AM

I also ended up taking the hit on the 512 because all of the 256's were 'sold out'. Yikes!  I had no intention of spending that extra $500.  So I really wrestled with what to do. My original plan was to just buy the 256 get a 64g SD card and an external HD because my Laptop only had 350g and I was always carrying around the 'Bag Of Stuff' which included my Ext HD.  So, I just split up the payments and made the jump.  Since then I'm glad I did because now I no longer have to carry around a 'BOS'.  I actually didn't think I was going to love this thing and use it as much as I do.  So i'm glad I did it. I copied everything I needed from my 4 y/o laptop to the Surface with tons of room to spare.

All of the basics that I need fits tightly into the cover made for the Surface Pro.  The pocket is just large enough to hold the power supply, flat mouse, USB thumb drive, stylus, headphones in a hard pouch, a pen, and a small note pad.  It. takes some packing skills but it works. I can travel 'light' with just one tablet case everywhere I go and if I need the 'BOS' then I just toss the tablet pouch into it and go.  I never worry about having enough HD space and I don't have to worry about damaging in transit my 1, 2, or 3 TB Ext drives. 

Pray about this one because this really is a great machine.  If you don't think you'll need the space down the road and you don't mind having to carry a 'BOS'  or don't have a 'BOS' then stay with the 256.  But if you think you might use it for space hogging tasks or might start to love taking HD video and photos using the Surface and are planning to use the Surface extensively and replacing a laptop then you may want to wait till your budget strategy can allow you to take the hit for the 512. 

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Terry Roberts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 20 2014 9:26 AM

Aloha and good morning once again

Microsoft just announced the new Surface Pro 3.  12-inch display, 2160x1440/215ppi (3x2 aspect ratio).  Weighs less than the Pro 2 and is thinner.  i7 processor with 8gb ram and 256gb ssd is $1549.  Up the ssd to 512gb and the price goes to $1949.  There are also models available with an i3 processor and i5 as well.

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Ps3 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 21 2014 8:44 AM
Yes, Surface Pro 3 looks pretty good with a new larger size and lots of additional processing options up to i7. And of course the cost to go with it. Check it out here: ( http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/html/pbPage.ProductDetails/Surface-Pro-3/productID.300190600?WT.mc_id=PromoEmail_NDA_PreOrder1_5-20-14_Body_Body )
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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 21 2014 8:52 AM

You can pre-order now at the Surface Website.

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Russell E. Hixon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 21 2014 10:58 AM

The best thing about the Surface Pro 3 is that we can now have full blown Logos running on a mobile tablet form factor. No limitations of an app!

Yes, I am aware that previous Surface Pros could do this as well, but the weight, size, hard edges, and heat kept me from making the leap.

Surface Pro 3 seems to answer all of my previous complaints, so I am now willing to drink the Kool-Aid!  :)

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Jeremy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 21 2014 12:43 PM

Full blown Logos has always been available on Surface Pro. This not new to just Surface Pro 3. The world is very slowly (VERY SLOWLY) waking up to the fact that Microsoft has actually done what many of us had hoped Apple would have done with the iPad. They have given us a tablet that can replace our laptop. For pastors like me, who are frequently NOT in the church office, this is fantastic news.

Full blown Logos that fits in my motorcycle saddle bag. Just wish I had known that Logos didn't have the "cool" app for Surface RT before I bought it.

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