What's significant about Bible Sense Lexicon?

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Jason Saling - www.NapavineBaptist.com | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012 1:15 PM

I haven't purchased Logos 5 yet. Still comparing packages/features. How does Bible Sense Lexicon differentiate from Exegetical Guide and Bible Word Study? It appears I find the same type of language info from the latter two, so wondering what is so beneficial about Bible Sense Lexicon. Thanks

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 1:36 PM

Jason Saling - www.NapavineBaptist.com:
Bible Sense Lexicon differentiate

The Bible Sense Lexicon is part of an ongoing project I hope as it currently only has nouns. http://wordnet.princeton.edu/  will give you a sense of its capabilities. What is especially interesting with the Logos version is that it deals with multiple languages. My quick description is that a word net is like studying a butterfly in nature; a lexicon/dictionary is like studying a butterfly pinned in a display box.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 2:43 PM

You should check this page if you haven't already: http://www.logos.com/bible-sense-lexicon.

BWS focuses on word details: it makes it easy to get to existing lexicons, see where a word is found in the Biblical text, what its roots are, how it's translated, and grammatical usage.

EG is designed more for detailed source-language exegesis of a specific passage.

BSL is different from both. It combines a lexicon with annotation of the text, and is based on original analysis of the Biblical vocabulary. It's purposes are to:

  • organize by meaning, rather than by word.  For example, λόγος has more than 15 distinct meanings in our analysis. Its most common meaning, "message (communication): a communication that is most often spoken, but can come through other means", is expressed by 8 different words (the rest of them Hebrew).
  • provide a "sense concordance" of all the places where this meaning is expressed. This is dramatically different from a word-based concordance: you'd have to know just which words to put together, and then cull out all the cases where the words were used in a different sense. I expect this feature to ship in a December update.
  • explore the space of meanings in the biblical vocabulary, regardless of which language. Where appropriate (like "message (communication)", the same sense carries across Hebrew, Greek, and English.

BSL exists to make it possible to interact with the text at the level of meaning. My belief is that, for non-scholars (most of us), what we're really after with "word study" is not words at all, but their contextual meanings.

As MJ notes, it currently only covers nouns (but covers them comprehensively). We expect to complete verb coverage near the beginning of next year.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 2:46 PM

Sean Boisen:
You should check this page if you haven't already: http://www.logos.com/bible-sense-lexicon.

Sean, your link has a period in it.  Here's a working link: http://www.logos.com/bible-sense-lexicon

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AndyTheGreek | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 2:46 PM

Is the Sense Lexicon going to be available separately? When I hold my mouse over it in the Package comparison chart it implies it is for about £12 but I cant find it by searching for it as a product...

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:22 PM

AndyTheGreek:
Is the Sense Lexicon going to be available separately? When I hold my mouse over it in the Package comparison chart it implies it is for about £12 but I cant find it by searching for it as a product...

Actually, no. That is a mistake and will be corrected according to Kent Hendricks of Logos. (Sorry I can't find the thread where he stated that.) There will be a bundle or minimal crossgrade option.

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:34 PM

Is there a way to access this information from a context menu? I right-click a word in my tagged text, check both the English word and Greek lemma and don't see a way to access BSL directly. I know I can go to Tools, etc, but it would be helpful to access it contextually to see how BSL classifies this word in this passage, etc.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:37 PM

Sounds like it is basically Swanson and Louw-Nida on steroids integrated into the software.

Great idea! Really useful to have this tool bring Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic semantic domains together in one place.

Two questions:

1. Is the LXX included in this tool?

2. Do we still have Louw-Nida numbers in the L5 Interlinear info?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:47 PM

Russ Quinn:

Two questions:

1. Is the LXX included in this tool?

2. Do we still have Louw-Nida numbers in the L5 Interlinear info?

I haven't worked with Bible Sense, so maybe others need to chime in regarding #1 . However, on #2 I can confirm: Yes, sure!

 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:51 PM

Chris Roberts:
Is there a way to access this information from a context menu? I right-click a word in my tagged text, check both the English word and Greek lemma and don't see a way to access BSL directly. I know I can go to Tools, etc, but it would be helpful to access it contextually to see how BSL classifies this word in this passage, etc.

Chris there is no way to do this right now. During the last phase of beta testing we were told that it was planned. So it should be available via the right click menu at some point.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:55 PM

Russ Quinn:
1. Is the LXX included in this tool?

I don't believe it is. Currently Hebrew roots refer to the OT and Greek just to the NT. No Greek OT roots (LXX).

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I still don't 100% understand, though I do understand more! I must not need it or likely use it. So I should be safe going from L4 Platinum to L5 Silver and just miss out on that one feature. Or am I likely to regret not having that one feature?

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Mark Smith:

AndyTheGreek:
Is the Sense Lexicon going to be available separately? When I hold my mouse over it in the Package comparison chart it implies it is for about £12 but I cant find it by searching for it as a product...

Actually, no. That is a mistake and will be corrected according to Kent Hendricks of Logos. (Sorry I can't find the thread where he stated that.) There will be a bundle or minimal crossgrade option.

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58026/414094.aspx#414094

 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:47 PM

Todd Phillips:

Sean Boisen:
You should check this page if you haven't already: http://www.logos.com/bible-sense-lexicon.

Sean, your link has a period in it.  Here's a working link: http://www.logos.com/bible-sense-lexicon

Darn that auto-link! :-) Thanks for the correction.

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Peter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:50 PM

Now that I have my Logos 5 upgrade to silver there is no bible sense lexicon. Worse my Louw-Nida has disappeared from the reverse interlinears. This upgrade is about increased functionality not reduced functionality.

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Todd White (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:54 PM

Peter:

Now that I have my Logos 5 upgrade to silver there is no bible sense lexicon. Worse my Louw-Nida has disappeared from the reverse interlinears. This upgrade is about increased functionality not reduced functionality.

If you right click on the left side of the reverse interlinear panel you should be able to add Louw-Nida back. If for some reason this isn't working please let us know.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:56 PM

Mark Smith:

Russ Quinn:
1. Is the LXX included in this tool?

I don't believe it is. Currently Hebrew roots refer to the OT and Greek just to the NT. No Greek OT roots (LXX).

Mark is correct. The Bible Sense Lexicon itself covers the vocabulary of the Hebrew Bible (and Aramaic portions) and the Greek NT. Primarily that's individual lemmas (nouns so far), as well as a few hundred phrases with their own idiomatic senses (for example, λόγος (τοῦ) θεοῦ, literally 'word of God', which has a distinct meaning from the simple combination of 'word' and 'God').

We haven't made any decisions yet about the LXX, but we plan to complete the BSL coverage first.

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 10:11 PM

Peter:
Now that I have my Logos 5 upgrade to silver there is no bible sense lexicon.

Bob has said that the Minimum Crossgrade would use dynamic pricing, so as long as the Bible Sense Lexicon is included in the Minimum Crossgrade (I'm guessing it will be, but I'm not in that loop - if there is a loop yet), there should eventually be a solution for adding this without necessarily upgrading to Gold or repurchasing any of the Logos 5 functionality you already have in Silver.

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