Do you lose Septuagint Translation if you upgrade L4 Platinum to L5 Gold?

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:50 PM

I currently have L4 Platinum.

A feature that I use a lot is the LXX translation in the Biblical Word Study report.

It appears that LXX translation in L5 is not included in L5 Gold.

So if I want to continue to have this feature, my only option is to upgrade my L4 Platinum to L5 Platinum.

Is that correct?

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 3:58 PM

Ross, you won't lose any resources by buying a new Logos 5 base package. Any new L5 base package resources will be in addition to all those you already own in L4 Platinum. Therefore, you can upgrade to any Logos 5 package and you will still retain all your L4 Platinum resources.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:00 PM

Right . . . no lost resources.

My question is about a feature that is listed as only being a part of L5 Platinum.

If I upgrade to L5 Gold from L4 Platinum, will I have that feature?

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:01 PM

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Ross, you won't lose any resources by buying a new Logos 5 base package.

And you would never lose this feature in L5 even if you don't buy a base package upgrade. (Using the free L5 engine when it becomes available, for example.) You will have the resource and will be able to use it in all versions of Logos in the future.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:05 PM

Russ Quinn:
If I upgrade to L5 Gold from L4 Platinum, will I have that feature?

What feature are you referring to? The LXX is not a feature, it is a resource. The Bible Word Study is a tool in L5. I don't know whether that will be included in the free L5 engine, but I would assume it would be since it is a feature of L4.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:14 PM

Russ Quinn:
If I upgrade to L5 Gold from L4 Platinum, will I have that feature?

Septuagint Translation in the Bible Word Study was a L4 feature (Orig Lang and above).  If you had it in L4, then you'll retain it in L5.

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:21 PM

The BWS translation sections are driven by Reverse Interlinear data. Right now, the Septuagint with Logos Morphology (Rahlfs') has complete RI data, and that only comes in Platinum and above, but when the RI for Swete is finished, I believe then the smaller Logos 5 libraries that only have Swete's LXX will automatically be able to access this feature as well. I've notified Marketing that this should probably be officially clarified on the comparison chart, but I think I'm telling it like it is.

Note: Reverse Interlinears have a different commerce ID than the surface text, so since we've never had a RI for Swete in any previous package, simply owning Swete probably won't net the Reverse Interlinear data when it is finished, but the LXX (Swete) RI is in all the Logos 5 packages from Bronze on up.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:29 PM

So since I have Logos morphology from Rahlf's as a resource from my previous purchase of L4 Platinum, the feature will continue to work even if I only upgrade to L5 Gold.

Is that correct?

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 4:30 PM

That's interesting, Vincent. The feature is based on resource ownership; not the level.

I notice one of the Bronze upgrades had a LXX analytical lexicon and priced at $29.95 or so, but in reality it's not for sale, if indeed it even exists.

Looks to me Bob & Co are going to need a multi-dimensional tool just to determine what goes with what. Old level (L5 engine only), new (different-named level that has nothring to do with the old level), some features tied to resources, some to the (new?) level, and of course offered resources that don't even exist, plus offered resources that might exist but can't be purchased.

Only at Logos is something like this feasible.

Now of course, that's not counting the cross-grade that appears and disappears and then might appear.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 5:01 PM

Russ Quinn:

So since I have Logos morphology from Rahlf's as a resource from my previous purchase of L4 Platinum, the feature will continue to work even if I only upgrade to L5 Gold.

Is that correct?

Correct. If you already own the Rahlf's LXX (LLS:LOGOSLXX) and the LXX to Hebrew reverse interlinear (RVI:LXXHEB), which power this feature in Logos 4, then you will have this feature in Logos 5.

DMB:
That's interesting, Vincent. The feature is based on resource ownership; not the level.

This is true in most, if not all, cases where you see that a feature is only available above a certain level. It means that the feature relies on a resource (whether it's a book with a particular kind of tagging or a behind-the-scenes database) that's not included in the lower levels.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 5:31 PM

DMB:
That's interesting, Vincent. The feature is based on resource ownership; not the level.

The Septuagint feature for BWS should be listed against all packages** if it is a commerce item and let the software handle the presence or absence of suitable LXX resources. Otherwise it implies that my use in L4 will not carry over even though I currently use Rahlf's Septuagint and the Lexham LXX Interlinear in L4 Silver.

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 5:43 PM

Louis St. Hilaire:

DMB:
That's interesting, Vincent. The feature is based on resource ownership; not the level.

This is true in most, if not all, cases where you see that a feature is only available above a certain level. It means that the feature relies on a resource (whether it's a book with a particular kind of tagging or a behind-the-scenes database) that's not included in the lower levels.

The main distinction is that the resource can be purchased independently of package whereas the L5 databases cannot!  So I would expect consistency between Database availability and the availability of its associated features.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 6:23 PM

Louis St. Hilaire:
Correct. If you already own the Rahlf's LXX (LLS:LOGOSLXX) and the LXX to Hebrew reverse interlinear (RVI:LXXHEB), which power this feature in Logos 4, then you will have this feature in Logos 5.

Dave Hooton:

Otherwise it implies that my use in L4 will not carry over even though I currently use Rahlf's Septuagint and the Lexham LXX Interlinear in L4 Silver.

 

Just to be crystal clear . . .

Is RVI:LXXHEB the same thing as Tov's The Parallel Aligned Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Texts of Jewish Scripture? 

Or is it the Lexham LXX Interlinear?

Or is it Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition?

Or is it something else?

 

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 6:45 PM

Russ Quinn:

Just to be crystal clear . . .

Is RVI:LXXHEB the same thing as Tov's The Parallel Aligned Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Texts of Jewish Scripture? 

Or is it the Lexham LXX Interlinear?

Or is it Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition?

Or is it something else?

In the comparison chart, it's listed as "Lexham LXX / MT Parallel Alignment".

("Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition" is the Swete edition equivalent that will also enable this function once it is complete and delivered. The naming inconsistency is a bit confusing. I will see if I can get it resolved.)

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:37 PM

I'm more confused now.

Sorry for all the questions on this.

On my custom upgrade listing, there is no "new to me" icon next to the listing for "Lexham LXX / MT Parallel Alignment".

However, I don't see this resource in my existing L4 Platinum library.

I definitely have Rahlf's LXX with Logos Morphology and my Translation from LXX currently works in my BWS.

Is there a way I can verify that I have what I need so I can make an upgrade decision?

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:01 PM

Russ Quinn:

I'm more confused now.

Sorry for all the questions on this.

On my custom upgrade listing, there is no "new to me" icon next to the listing for "Lexham LXX / MT Parallel Alignment".

However, I don't see this resource in my existing L4 Platinum library.

I definitely have Rahlf's LXX with Logos Morphology and my Translation from LXX currently works in my BWS.

Is there a way I can verify that I have what I need so I can make an upgrade decision?

Sorry for the confusion.

The Septuagint translation section in the Bible Word Study in Logos 4 uses this resource. So, if you have this feature in Logos 4, then you clearly own the resource and the feature will work for you in Logos 5. The upgrade listing appears to be correctly reflecting this.

Reverse interlinears work right in the Bible they are aligned with, rather than showing up in your Library on their own. You can check for their presence by opening the Bible they are aligned with. In this case, if you open The Septuagint with Logos Morphology, you will see that the resource panel has a reverse interlinear button and a display menu that lets you view the reverse interlinear data either in a pane at the bottom of the resource or inline with the text. Also, if you click the information button in the upper right corner, you will see a citation and support info for the reverse interlinear resource in addition to the information for the surface Bible text.

Finally, as mentioned before, once the Swete edition of this reverse interlinear (Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse Interlinear: H. B. Swete Edition) is released, this feature will work for everyone with Bronze and up.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:05 PM

Great!

Thanks, Louis, for all your help!

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