Official: Minimum Crossgrade and free engine download are coming!

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john joyce | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 2:09 AM

Please does anyone know what/when is happening with the Catholic Packages? 

Real shame nothing was mentioned or explained on the excellent blog.

Thanks

John

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Leo Koo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 2:26 AM

Thanks Bob! =)

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john joyce | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 3:13 AM

john joyce:

Please does anyone know what/when is happening with the Catholic Packages? 

Real shame nothing was mentioned or explained on the excellent blog.

Thanks

John

Now site back up found a whole range of packages called Verbum. Fellow Catholics take a look!

I am very happy Big Smile

John

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Michael Sullivan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 7:07 AM

Verbum - Latin for Logos - Greek for Verbum - Latin for Logos - Greek for . . .

Can we throw a totally Lutheran version in the mix and call it: "WORT"

Smile

Of course, being Lutheran, the starter version would have be called "King" and the Portfolio version "Beggar" - fitting with Lutheran theology.

"We are beggars: this is true." Luther

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Michael Sullivan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 7:19 AM

And being Lutheran, I am begging for a quick release of the crossgrade.  (Please?) 

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Aaron Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 7:26 AM

Wow. Thank you for this open and honest response. Another reason why I love Logos.

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Tom Geswein:

It would be nice to know if the data sets are going to be available individually or as a package.  I understand that a final decision may not have been made yet on how to offer these, but it would be nice to have an idea, if someone could shed some light on this...

 

The data sets are not going to be for sale individually: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58026/414094.aspx#414094 (Please also re-read the caveats in my original post.)

The current plan is that new data sets will only be available in base packages and possibly/probably the Minimal Crossgrade; please re-read Bob's original post to see the details on that.

 

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Tom Geswein | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 7:45 AM

Thank you for clarifying that Bradley.  I'm sorry if I mis-represented you or Bob by quoting you both, but your statements appeared to be conflicting and I just wanted to clear things up...

Bob's quote about "You'll even have the option for adding the coolest new data sets at a very reasonable cost" probably meant through a minimal crossagrade, which he didn't mention in that statement.

"It seems our problems solve themselves when we look beyond us to those truly in hell."  -  Beyond Our Suffering - AILD

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 7:52 AM

Very helpful info. Thanks, Bob. 

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Nicholas Roland | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 8:23 AM

Thank you for the clarification. My heart skipped a beat when I saw the price to stay within my package. This makes sense and is a great plan.

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John McKenna | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 9:07 AM

My interest in L5 is the fix of the program bugs.  I have personally built over the years an extensive library and really don't want to have to replicate and re-purchase any of it again. The packages don't do it for me at all.

Additionally I run Logos on a MacBook Air, Desktop, iPhone and iPad. I love the way Logos ties all my notes together so that when I use any of the devices a note written on one will show up at the other.

What I hope L5 will fix is the regular crashing L4 causes on my MacBook Air. The crashes happen when the L4 indexer works in the background and the code people don't seem to be able to fix this.

After all the above my question is this, will L5 use all my current content and are the Mac indexer issues fixed?

Thanks!

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 9:14 AM

Bob Pritchett:
Logos 5 will be available at many price points, and the free engine will be available soon. But it works best with new content and resources, which are available now as great deals!

Bob, thanks for your patience and grace in clarifying the introduction of Logos 5.

For me, the only issue is whether or not I can afford at the minute to take advantage of one of the great upgrade offers, where there is not only a new engine and datasets, but so many great resources bundled at such a relatively low cost (far better then any other 'specials' that occur regularly, it seems to me).  Or, whether I should wait for a minimal crossgrade at lower cost. Head and heart aren't in sync here.

But thank you for producing such great software, and trying to keep improving it over time.  It has been a real blessing in ministry to use it.

Now, if you could only invent a time machine, to enable me to have more time to read and use all these great resources with the limited time available... Big Smile

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 9:45 AM

Thanks so much.

one question: you mentioned that you changed the resources included from the same package dramatically because of the need of the new features from the Logos 5. Do you mean in the future you will have a more conservative approach for the change of resources included so the full upgrade (eg platinum 4 to platinum 5) will be cheaper?

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 9:45 AM

This is good to hear. I can be counted as one of the ones who was initially a bit frosted with the price and upgrade options. I like what I have seen of the new features but don't need any new books at this time and am not very interested in the package changes to my Platinum Edition. I definitely don't mind paying a reasonable amount for the new data sets and features (under $100 qualifies for me) and also don't mind waiting for a time while the premium paying customers help L recoup some of their obviously substantial development costs. 

Here comes the less positive aspect. Please take this in the spirit intended. It is critical but meant as edifying not disparaging. We will see if I get my message across as intended Smile 

I feel a bit like yesterday's news in this process. I have spent $5K plus over the years on L resources and now I am going to wait because I am not a current premium payer. Again, I am not in instant gratification mode so I can wait a bit but given my past support of L it does chafe me if only slightly.

A little more transparency would have helped this process. Bottom line is that current offering are being focused on those willing to add substantially to current revenue and profits. That is understandable as this is clearly a business and profits/cost recovery is being elevated to a very high priority. Many are not seeing the current package options as upgrades given the new resources v. dollars. Be frank and state that the early marketing emphasis will exclude those not willing to pay a premium for early adoption or those who are looking for a minimal cost way to stay current. It is what it is. It is also different from past approaches by L so I certainly hope the heartburn is not surprising.

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Christopher Warrington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 10:13 AM

Thank you so much for this detailed explanation.

The fact that you responded so quickly to the questions being asked by your customers, shows a great focus on customer service. Thank you for your great products and your work to help the ministry of God increase. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 11:20 AM

John McKenna:

After all the above my question is this, will L5 use all my current content and are the Mac indexer issues fixed?

Hi John! Welcome to the forums.

Yes, L5 will use all of your current content. If you choose to upgrade to a new base package, you will only pay for the resources that are new to you. You will not have to repurchase anything. 

As for the indexer issue, I am unaware of your issue. It would be helpful in the future for you to create a new thread and post logs. We would be more than glad to help you with that. If you need help with that issue, please create a new thread in the MAC forum. 

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 11:29 AM

Dear Bob,

Many thanks for your comprehensive explanation regarding the "soon"-to-be-released minimal crossgrade. That really sets my mind at ease.

While ruminating on the emotional intensity of many posts, not to mention my own anxiety level, I was struck by one contributor who remarked on our "visceral" response to changes in Logos because "we care". Indeed we do! And you and your colleagues have inspired our caring. So may you and your colleagues feel the love of your customers in spite of the, to me, startling negativity of many posts. AND, may you all rack up wonderful sales figures so your faith-based business can pay all of you to keep on producing great stuff soli Deo gloria.

Steve

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 11:46 AM

Hi, I also suggest Logos to post this on the Logos blog to let everyone know it. That should be the information everyone should have when they first hear about Logos 5, st least for the current users.

and by the way the recent Logos blog post sounds the author really didn't see all the complaints here...

And thanks again for settling the issue so quickly. I personally encounter another issue that the calculator show 4xx for gold and 5xx for platinum yesterday but than the price go up for ~100 today. I've already sent an email to a sales rep but since I didn't contact him for a long time I don't know if he's still in Logos to answer my email.

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David Housholder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 12:20 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):

It is possible (like any decision) that this could change in the future. However, consider the data sets from Logos 4 (e.g., Biblical People, Places, Things; Syntax Search; Reverse Interlinears); these have never been available for individual purchase, but only ever as part of base packages (or the minimal crossgrade).

As Bob said, "The Minimal Crossgrade is being configured, but we expect it will contain all/most of the unique new data sets (Timeline, Bible Facts, Clause Database, Bible Sense Lexicon, Phrases, Preaching Themes, Thematic Outlines, etc.)". You may wish to wait and see what it does contain (when it is announced) before making your final decision.

One thing not clear to me yet, Bradley, on the datasets: I have Scholar's, the upgrade site seems to be pointing me to Silver. If I purchase Silver at $400+ I will get most of the new databases, but apparently not the church history timeline (since the Gold upgrade specifically mentions it adds church history timeline). Starter and Bronze have fewer of the new databases included. In the description of the crossgrade option it sounds as though all the new databases are included at a cost likely to be under $100.

Would you clarify that?

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 1:14 PM

John McKenna:
My interest in L5 is the fix of the program bugs.

For what it's worth, while Logos 5 is better in many ways, we are also still paying attention to Logos 4. We updated Logos 4 many times while preparing Logos 5 (we just released an update on Monday!), and will probably have a few more service releases with bug fixes and even minor improvements. We want you to move to Logos 5 because of the great new content and tools; you shouldn't have to pay to get bug fixes.

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