We are, of course, aware of this situation. I know Design has specified a UI solution for providing even greater control over what is being matched than what LDLS3 could do (including handling accent/cantillation marks), but I don't have any information on when something like this will be implemented. Someone on the Dev side might know more.
You might be interested in knowing that the Syntax Search interface has a check box in the Text field of the Segment object 'Match marks' that behaves like the marks() operator of Libronix DLS3 - that is, with the mark checked, vowel points are respected. I know this isn't a perfect solution, since 1) it's rather fussy to set up a Syntax search just to search for a single surface form, and 2) if searching for forms with suffixes, one must be particularly careful of where the break between the segments happens (which sometimes is between a consonant and the vowel under it), since one has to specify the form for each segment - there isn't a way to specify the entire grapheme with prefixes and suffixes at one time as the surface forms are split across segments.
Hello Vincent Setterholm,
I was and am still very happy to learn that...
Vincent Setterholm: Design has specified a UI solution for providing even greater control over what is being matched than what LDLS3 could do (including handling accent/cantillation marks), but I don't have any information on when something like this will be implemented. Someone on the Dev side might know more. You might be interested in knowing that the Syntax Search interface has a check box in the Text field of the Segment object 'Match marks' that behaves like the marks() operator of Libronix DLS3 - that is, with the mark checked, vowel points are respected.
Design has specified a UI solution for providing even greater control over what is being matched than what LDLS3 could do (including handling accent/cantillation marks), but I don't have any information on when something like this will be implemented. Someone on the Dev side might know more.
You might be interested in knowing that the Syntax Search interface has a check box in the Text field of the Segment object 'Match marks' that behaves like the marks() operator of Libronix DLS3 - that is, with the mark checked, vowel points are respected.
Thank you so much for taking the time respond to this thread; this is GREAT news!
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Has there been any update or word on the following from development?:
Vincent Setterholm: I know Design has specified a UI solution for providing even greater control over what is being matched than what LDLS3 could do (including handling accent/cantillation marks), but I don't have any information on when something like this will be implemented. Someone on the Dev side might know more.
An update would be nice.
BKMitchell: Has there been any update or word on the following from development?: Vincent Setterholm: I know Design has specified a UI solution for providing even greater control over what is being matched than what LDLS3 could do (including handling accent/cantillation marks), but I don't have any information on when something like this will be implemented. Someone on the Dev side might know more.
While there is no direct capability to accomplish this, the same effect can be obtained by doing a morphological search and specifying a particular form. Once you have specified the form, the pointing follows aside from plene or defective writing.
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There has been a lot of movement on this recently. I haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but I was told this feature was up and running in a 5.2 demo (there will be a 5.1a release that goes out between now and then).
Thanks Mr, Setterholm!
Vincent Setterholm: was told this feature was up and running in a 5.2 demo (there will be a 5.1a release that goes out between now and then).
This is fantastic news! As 5.1a Beta is already in use by many a user that means it won't be too long before 5.2beta is out. Finally, we'll be able to search on accent marks, and vowels in Logos.
George Somsel: While there is no direct capability to accomplish this, the same effect can be obtained by doing a morphological search and specifying a particular form. Once you have specified the form, the pointing follows aside from plene or defective writing.
Thank you Mr. Somsel!
Wyn Laidig:I want to search for a manuscript form. For example, in the morph search below, I type in what to find, and I end up with search results that return every vowel combination instead of the one I type in. In Logos 3 you could search with the marks() parameter and it would return exactly the vowel pointing you entered.
Logos 5.2 Beta 1 has search modifiers => http://wiki.logos.com/Search_Matching_Commands
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Thanks for the heads up on this one! This is step in the right direction, indeed.
Now, I can't tell form the link if these matching commands will allow one to search on accents(and vowels) with wild cards in place of the consonants. So, for example one could search on vowel patters without specifying any particular word. And, if one could search on accents combinations without regard to the words with they fall on. So, If I wanted to find every verse were a Zarka accent mark is preceded by a Munach accent mark could it be down with the new matching commands and if so how?
MJ. Smith: can't a morph search give you the same thing as a manuscript search ... or do you want all the homographs?
can't a morph search give you the same thing as a manuscript search ... or do you want all the homographs?
Makes perfect sense to me. There has also been a recent plea for a string search that ignores word boundaries.
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