Read the Fathers

I stumbled across this site which is basically a community reading group for reading through the Church Fathers over the next 7 years — if that's something you have ever considered, it has started this week!
Because their reading plan is manually generated to make the readings close in size I couldn't replicate it too easily in a Logos reading plan, but I have created a Lectionary Personal book for the first 12 months of the reading plan to follow along...
If you're interested, here's the files:
Lectionary with links to Early Church Fathers (Protestant Edition) 0714.Read the Fathers2.docx)
Lectionary with links to Early Church Fathers (Catholic Edition) 2425.Read the Fathers.docx
Edit: Wiki: How to compile a Personal book in Logos
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It would be interesting to see who sticks it out from week one for seven entire years. Send me a reminder in December, 2019. [:)]
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Thanks, Jon - this is great information!
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Thanks Jon. I compiled the PB set it as type:Lectionary, prioritized it as my top/default lectionary. But, it does not show up on my Home Page ( I do have the Lectionary box checked), is it supposed to show up?
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Thanks Jon!
I just compiled the book.
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Jim,
This has happened with other Lectionary PBs. I think it is a bug OR only Logos produced Lectionary books can show up on the Home Page
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Peace, Jon! *smile*Jon said:Your post just simply blows my mind out of existence! First, who is this guy that's pictured ... Iconized? One of the Church Fathers, I'm sure!
I'm an old guy, very happy, with a Blessed Life -- such a very happy camper indeed -- Good Wife - Good Family - Good Congregation - Lots of Bibles and other Resources with Logos Bible Software .................. However, although retired, I do not have the time to do the things I want to do, much less the things I should do, that I feel God wants me to I do not have time!!!
Now, Jon! *smile* You come along with a fantastic opportunity that's probably beyond my handling at this time. I thank you! I plan to compile an appropriate Logos resource, but will try to set it to "space out" a bit my reading of the Church Fathers.
So, I'll try once again to prioritise my life and my time, remembering that our Beloved God Who Created Time and put us into Time wants us "to redeem the time, because the days are evil." Maybe I should do a Bible Word Study on Time, eh? Kairos?? Chronos??
The following prose poem is kept on my iPad2 to help me focus in again and again in devotion on Who I Am ... AND Whose I Am... Hope you enjoy... and ... Thank you, Jon! *smile*
Lord I Have Time
By Michel Quoist
I've been out, Lord,
Outside people were going out.
They were going,
They were coming,
They were walking,
They were rushing.
Motor bikes were rushing by,
Cars were rushing by,
Trucks were rushing by.
The street was rushing,
The city was rushing,
The whole world was rushing.
They were rushing so as not to lose time.
They were rushing after time to catch up with time,
to gain time.
Goodbye sir, excuse me, I haven't time.
I'll come back, I can't wait, I haven't time.
I'd like to help you, but I haven't time.
I can't accept, for lack of time.
I can't reflect, read, I'm snowed under, I haven't time.
The child - he's playing,
he hasn't time at the moment....later on...
The schoolboy - he's got his homework,
he hasn't time...later on...
The student - he's got his lectures, and such a lot of work,
he hasn't time...later on...
The young man - he's playing sport,
he hasn't time...later on...
The married man - he has his house to run,
he hasn't time...and later on...
The father - he has his children,
he hasn't time...and later on...
The grandparents - they have their grandchildren,
they haven't time...later on...
They're sick! They have their cares,
they haven't time...later...
They're dying, they have...
Too late! They haven't any more time!
That's how they're all rushing after time, Lord.
They pass by on earth, always rushing, hurrying,
jostling, weighed down, snowed under, nearly demented.
And they never get there, there's not enough time.
Despite all their efforts, there's never enough time.
Lord, you must have made a mistake somewhere.
There's been a tremendous oversight.
The hours are too short, the days are too short,
lives are too short.
You, who are outside of time,
You smile, Lord, to see us struggle with it.
And you know what You are doing.
You don't make mistakes when You allot time to men.
You give to each one the time to do what You want him to do.
But is it wrong to lose time, to waste time, to kill time,
For time is Your gift to us -
But a perishable gift, a gift that doesn't keep.
Lord, I have time
I have all my time,
All the time You gave me,
The years of my life,
The days of my years,
They are all mine. Mine to fill up calmly, peacefully,
But to fill up completely, right to the brim -
To offer to You, that of their stale water
You may make a generous wine, as once at Cana for a
human wedding feast.
I don't ask this evening Lord,
for time to do this or that.
I ask for the grace to do conscientiously,
in the time that You gave me,
the thing that You want me to do.Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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John Zerbel said:
Jim,
This has happened with other Lectionary PBs. I think it is a bug OR only Logos produced Lectionary books can show up on the Home Page
I would love to put this on the home page, but for now I dragged the icon for the personal book I created to the top of my Logos window. I can click on the icon and it will open up the book.
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Thanks Jon! That is helpful. Just compiled the book. Works great, and I intend to use it. [Y]
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Thanks for the poem Milford – very helpful, it always feels like there are many things I would do if I had more time... I'm not sure which of the church fathers the picture represents, I trimmed down the banner that the readthefathers.org site uses so that it would work as a book cover.
Jim L. West said:Thanks Jon. I compiled the PB set it as type:Lectionary, prioritized it as my top/default lectionary. But, it does not show up on my Home Page ( I do have the Lectionary box checked), is it supposed to show up?
I found that if I prioritise it, it does come up in the Lectionary spot at the top of the ribbon, but it doesn't show a link to the reading there as it does for Logos' lectionaries.In the end I also decided to drag it to the shortcuts bar which is just as easy, and will open up at today's date when you click it.0 -
Milford Charles Murray said:
However, although retired, I do not have the time to do the things I want to do, much less the things I should do, that I feel God wants me to I do not have time!!!
Retired or not, most people wont have the time to read all of the Fathers. But it is a shame that most have not even tooken the time to read the most important Father...Augustine.
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Evan Boardman said:
Retired or not, most people wont have the time to read all of the Fathers.
Rather most will not take the 20 minutes or so a day to do so. Most are not interested enough in what the Church Fathers had to say.
But "not having the time" is like saying I don't have time to read the Bible. That is just another way of saying, "It is not important enough to take 20 minutes of my day." You can make 20 minutes for anything that is really important. Strangely, guys like Calvin, Luther, Wesley, etc. thought the Church Fathers were well worth their time. But what do those guys know?
But I agree most will not, and quite possibly - likely - not me, either. But I am going to give it a try. And if I don't read it all, I will enjoy the part that I do.
I would love to have this Personal Book on my iPad! That would be so helpful. Since that is not possible, may Logos could publish this for us?
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Michael Childs said:
I would love to have this Personal Book on my iPad? That would be so helpful.
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With the gradual role out of all the different types of shared documents, I hope it's not too far away [:)]
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Milford Charles Murray said:
First, who is this guy that's pictured ... Iconized? One of the Church Fathers, I'm sure!
Assuming it's from the website: "If you want to let the people know, the person in the image is John
Chrysostom. From left to right, the people in our header image are Basil
the Great, John Chrysostom, and Gregory Nazianzus, collectively known
as the Three Holy Hierarchs."Milford Charles Murray said:By Michel Quoist
Glad to see you quoting French priests[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Glad to see you quoting French priests
MJ. Smith said:the person in the image is John Chrysostom
Peace and Every Blessing, Martha! Thanks for your forensic ID of John Chrysostom! I saved that icon on my hard drive for future reference. I know that you like to research just about everything. Before I moved to my present location I was Pastor (Lutheran) near Newmarket, Ontario and was quite impressed with the Roman Catholic Parish of John Chrysostom that has about 90 active pages. Used to drive by that Church (yes, I know the Church is People and the building is a building!) and appreciated the intense community spirit of the parish. Soooooo ... I include in my thanks to you this URL in the event you would like to take a peek.
http://www.stjohnchrysostom.on.ca/index.html
Am glad you are familiar with Michel Quoist, one of very favourite Christian authors! *smile*
He had a very difficult life and spent so many hours and days in prayer and meditation re. "The Meaning of Life"! His comforting and only answer was Jesus Christ, our Beloved Lord and Saviour!
I'd pay Vyrso.com a premium if somehow they could obtain the right to sell some of his books! Right now I'm extremely interested in:
Some of other titles of Quoist books (date of publication of the English translations from the French):
1954 Prayers Of Life
1965 The Christian Response
1971 Christ Is Alive
1972 I've Met Jesus Christ
1973 Meet Christ And LiveHowever, I only want these in electronic format, preferably compatible with Logos for my iPad.. If you're interested, here's a few more excerpts from this departed Brother in Christ ................http://pollypilgrim.wordpress.com/prayer-page/extract-from-prayers-of-life-by-michel-quoist-p90-91/
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Jon,
Thanks so much for creating this! Would there be a way to create a Reading Plan that would mimic this one. That way it could be synced to my iPad, since this would be the place I would read it. Have any other Logos users started this? It would be cool.
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Milford Charles Murray said:
I know that you like to research just about everything. Before I moved to my present location I was Pastor (Lutheran) near Newmarket, Ontario
Advent greetings to you Brother Milford.
Much of my pre-teen & early teen etc was spent in that same Aurora, Stouffville, Uxbridge area.
And more often than not, a real "white" snow Christmas "wonderland."
Blessings
Steve F
Regards, SteveF
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And here is a 3rd edition of this Lectionary. It is based on the "Protestant" version, but I replaced as many resources links with reference links as possible. This means that it should work with ANY Logos edition of these texts.
Unfortunately I do not know the reference syntax for Clement or Hippolytus...
SDG
Ken McGuire
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Philana Crouch said:
Would there be a way to create a Reading Plan that would mimic this one.
I did try, I think the reason it doesn't work out is due to the variation in chapter length between all the different works. I suspect that the Logos Reading Plan algorithm calculates the total number of sections or chapters and then divides it up accordingly. I presume you could approximate it better by creating a reading plan for smaller chunks, ie for each author or work.
Kenneth McGuire said:And here is a 3rd edition of this Lectionary.
Thanks Ken, that's very helpful; I had wondered if that were possible as some of the readings started in the middle of a page — how do you work out what the reference syntax is for an author or work?
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SteveF said:
Advent greetings to you Brother Milford.
Much of my pre-teen & early teen etc was spent in that same Aurora, Stouffville, Uxbridge area.
And more often than not, a real "white" snow Christmas "wonderland."
Blessings
Steve F
Peace to you, Steve! So glad to hear from you! Blessings this Advent to you and all your loved ones. Our congregation still has the old-fashioned midweek Advent Vesper Services; and my Pastor has asked me to do the 3 homilies. I am pleased and excited to get "back in the saddle again," briefly! *smile*
The country that you grew up in, Steve, is so beautiful! It was so good to live there for about 20 years. That part of Canada is just gorgeous. Again, God Bless your Celebration of the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Here's a little picture near where you grew up. The picture was taken at a Farmstead just a little Southeast of Stouffville, Ontario. The hills, valleys, and ravines of the Oakridges Morraine are a short distance from here. *smile* Always Joy in the Lord, eh???
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I have emailed Andrew at Logos to see if Logos might give us this in Reading List format. When I hear back I'll see if I need to come up with Plan B.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Peace to all my Sisters and Brothers! *smile* Getting hard to keep my eyes open, and I need to be bright and alert tomorrow even as my Pastor permits me the homily at our Advent Vespers, so gonna have to leave soon for slumberland!
However, I want to express my gratitude to Jon and Ken for the tremendous work they have done for Read the Fathers.
I still have some problems with the file, but will tackle it afresh in the a.m. I started as a "lectionary" when I compiled the .docx file, but it didn't show up on my home page although I prioritised it very, very high ... almost to the top.
So I changed it to a "calendar devotional" and again prioritised it very, very high, above my other calendar devotionals, but it also didn't show up on my home page.
It does work, though. I opened the book and read the first day (Clement of Rome) and appreciated the work you have done.
Also, I was highly pleased that the new Logos feature 'Popular Highlights' show in a number of areas in this excerpt! Was quite pleasantly surprised, that is!
MJ, thanks for checking out whether this might be a good candidate for a reading list. Please get back to us!
I actually felt a sense of kinship and camaraderie and community with others of you who were also reading this section today. Now, I grant you that it all may just have been "in my head" (*smile*) ... but it did feel good! Whether you were reading or not .................
I look forward to tomorrow! Good Night! Sweet Dreams!
"GOOD NIGHT, Mrs. Calabash--wherever you are!"
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Hopefully Andrew will have some good ideas.
I just tried to generate a basic reading plan of the Ante-Nicene Fathers vol 1 (protestant edition) and even with All Passages selected, it appears that the reading plan only goes until the Fragments of Papias, which is less that half way through the book.
Has anyone else tried this yet?
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Jim L. West said:
But, it does not show up on my Home Page
PB lectionaries with Biblical Readings will appear correctly on the home page they do not expand to show the text in resource format. Those not accessing the Bible will not show the readings on the home page but the heading will appear.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I also believe that only one Lectionary will show up on the ribbon/side-bar. So unless this lectionary is the highest-prioritized lectionary it will not be displayed.
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Eleanor Emmott said:
it appears that the reading plan only goes until the Fragments of Papias, which is less that half way through the book.
Has anyone else tried this yet?
This is a long-standing problem.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Eleanor Emmott said:
I also believe that only one Lectionary will show up on the ribbon/side-bar.
Unfortunately also true.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Jon said:
Thanks Ken, that's very helpful; I had wondered if that were possible as some of the readings started in the middle of a page — how do you work out what the reference syntax is for an author or work?
A bit of trial and error, but http://wiki.logos.com/Finding_the_right_datatype_name_and_reference is a good guide for the basics.
SDG
Ken
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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MJ. Smith said:Eleanor Emmott said:
it appears that the reading plan only goes until the Fragments of Papias, which is less that half way through the book.
Has anyone else tried this yet?
This is a long-standing problem.
This has been a problem for several years.
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/16438/394371.aspx#394371
Every few months I check to see if this problem is fixed, but not yet.[:(]
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As a temporary solution, I've made the readings into a reading list http://topics.logos.com/Read_the_Fathers
It should appear as a recently updated reading list on the home page or open it via Tools | Reading Lists
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks MJ! it definitely helps being able to check them off and see where you're up to [:)]
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https://faithlife.com/logos-read-the-fathers
This Faithlife Group for Read the Fathers is NOT to be used instead of the primary site for discussion rather it is to allow everyone to make suggestions for supplemental readings to add to the reading list and to allow for community notes to the text of the ECF's.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ, I hope you don't mind: I took the liberty of creating another list that links to the Catholic Edition for those who have that (like me) and named it Read the Fathers (CE). I used the following excel file to create the reading list 3771.ECF reading plan.xlsxMJ. Smith said:As a temporary solution, I've made the readings into a reading list http://topics.logos.com/Read_the_Fathers
It should appear as a recently updated reading list on the home page or open it via Tools | Reading Lists
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Thank you. It needed to be done but I had higher priorities.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kenneth McGuire said:Jon said:
Thanks Ken, that's very helpful; I had wondered if that were possible as some of the readings started in the middle of a page — how do you work out what the reference syntax is for an author or work?
A bit of trial and error, but http://wiki.logos.com/Finding_the_right_datatype_name_and_reference is a good guide for the basics.
SDG
Ken
That boggles my mind! I will appreciate even more the labour that you and others do in sharing PB's! Thank you! This has been a good thread! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Kenneth McGuire said:
Unfortunately I do not know the reference syntax for Clement or Hippolytus...
I was able to replace a few more page references to datatype links, including for most of Clement of Alexandria.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Peace, Ken! Thanks! Blessings for 2013! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I think this is as complete as I can it for 2013, but most items are by resource type link. I have added through Cyprian's works at the start of year 2.
SDG
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Thank you, Ken! *smile* Blessings to you! I DO remember you in prayer on a pretty regular basis! You have a "sharing" heart, indeed and are tremendously helpful on these Logos Forums.................
Peace Always!
I have noticed and appreciate your: "sanus perfecte est in spe, in re ... peccator - M. Luther, 1515"
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Thank you to all. I missed this in December, so I'm glad it came up again. Special thanks Jon and Ken. I dragged a link to my favorites bar, which I guess most are doing, but it does not open on today's date. If there's something I've done wrong, I'd like to fix it, though it's not a big deal to scroll to today's date. Thanks again.
Windows PC - Android Phone - Surface Pro 4
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Thanks, Ken.
Michael March said:I dragged a link to my favorites bar, which I guess most are doing, but it does not open on today's date.
I'm too lazy to try it out just now, but if I remember correctly, dragging from a tab to the shortcut bar will always open to that same date, while dragging from the Library will open to today's date. If that doesn't work, try dragging from Library to Favorites, and then from Favorites to the shortcut bar.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Jon -
It's getting to be time to add 2014 (unless I missed it). I'm going to try to see if I can get it to work as a Reading Cycle rather than a Lectionary with dynamic text i.e. life the Daf Yomi Cycle.
Anyone have other suggestions for improvement?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have extended the reading list a bit into 2014 already.... But whatever is done, PLEASE by reference link instead of resource links - that way both ECF sets would work, as would many other translations Logos out or in the pipeline. (eg. Fathers of the Church, Popular Patristics, etc.)
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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I agree Ken
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Jon,
I am posting here because I would like to get involved with the 7 year reading plan. I do have Logs and was wondering if there is a way to set a reading plan so that it will remind me and keep track of my progress in Logos 5.2.
Thanks,
Barry
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I have been updating the reading list a bit lately, and saw that the Catholic edition is already done for year 2... But it seems that we are a bit confused about which tool to use for the job in Logos. If we do a custom Lectionary, that will keep you reading the readings for that day, but does not allow us to tick off what we have read, and to keep track of it. The "Reading Lists" that MJ started lets you do that easy enough, but it is hard to instantly find where is today's reading and will not remind us. On the other hand, it would work much better for people who didn't start in December 2012.
Above MJ spoke of trying a "reading cycle". Maybe that will solve our problems...
SDG
Ken McGuire
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Ken McGuire said:
Above MJ spoke of trying a "reading cycle". Maybe that will solve our problems...
Unfortunately it does not ... I continue working on it as a sample for Logos as to the problems.
- you cannot have both a reading cycle and a lectionary appear on the home page
- reading cycles have all the properties of lectionaries i.e. having to specify dates each time, no check marks
- there are citation problems where the Logos datatype is too broad - one cannot specify the long, short or Syriac rescensions.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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