Serendipity Bible Notes (Group Questions)

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Scott Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 31 2015 12:11 PM

This would be a welcome addition!!!Yes

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Don Kolafa | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 11 2015 4:48 PM

I, too, have used this resource for many (25) years.  Last year I scanned and converted the full 1989 Serendipity Bible 'Second Edition' margin questions to MS Word and then to a Logos Personal Book, with correct milestones to synchronize with any Bible resource when used in Logos.  I have used it frequently for over a year now and it appears to be nearly error-free.

If someone can assist me in obtaining copyright permission to distribute this item, I will do so.  Unfortunately, the original copyright holder 'Serendipity House' has been disolved.  My guess is that Zondervan holds the current copyright.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 11 2015 4:54 PM

Don Kolafa:
If someone can assist me in obtaining copyright permission to distribute this item, I will do so.

I would be very interested in seeing this happen!

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 11 2015 5:25 PM

Don, please contact me and let me know what I can do to help you with this. I tried sending you a personal message through Faithlife but it wouldn't let me, maybe due to your privacy settings.

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Don Kolafa | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 11 2015 5:57 PM

I am receiving e-mail messages, but not sender's e-mail address.  Please include it within your text.

 

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 12 2015 6:03 PM

Does anyone know if a Kindle version or PDF version exists for the Serendipity Bible?

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 13 2015 8:50 AM

As far as I know, there is not a Kindle or PDF version available. I will double check though and if anyone else finds out about a digital version available please post about it here so we can all be blessed by it.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2015 12:50 PM

Don Kolafa:

I am receiving e-mail messages, but not sender's e-mail address.  Please include it within your text.

Don, did you get the two e-mails I sent you? I haven't received any response so just wanted to make sure you got them. I've been doing my part to make this happen! :) Let me know.

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John Eggen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 7:12 AM

Just curious if anything happened with this or if there is any possibility to distribute the PBB file for the notes that Don has?

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 9:16 AM

Don, could I have a copy of your .DOCX file for private use as PBB?  I have a physical copy of the Bible but would love to have it electronically.

Thanks!

PL (pli7 at the big email provider starting with a Y, .com)

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Don Kolafa | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2015 4:12 PM

I am hesitant to forward a full copy to anyone without formal copyright permission.  I have been developing computer software for 50 years and have been the victim of major software theft several times. Therefore I have sympathies for the copyright holder as well as a healthy respect for liability.  I'm really not being difficult, just want to do this the correct way.  Don.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2015 4:57 PM

Can someone include me in on updates here.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 6:53 AM

Don Kolafa:

I am hesitant to forward a full copy to anyone without formal copyright permission.  I have been developing computer software for 50 years and have been the victim of major software theft several times. Therefore I have sympathies for the copyright holder as well as a healthy respect for liability.  I'm really not being difficult, just want to do this the correct way.  Don.

Don, how else can we help you? I understand where you're coming from, but I think there should be an easy solution. Here are some thoughts I'd like for you to consider and I would like your feedback on.

  1. We are not needing the entire work, only the discussion questions on the margins. In other words, we don't need the entire text of the NIV Bible itself, that can be found elsewhere. We are just interested in the discussion questions part of it.
  2. As far as distribution goes, I would recommend that you distribute it by uploading it to the documents section of a Faithlife group. That way, not just anybody browsing the forums could gain access to it. It would only be accessible to those who create a Faithlife account and join that particular group to gain access to the document(s) of that group.
  3. I did my best to contact Zondervan for you and I already sent their response. When I talked with them on the phone about it they made it sound like it wasn't a problem at all and that you should be able to proceed. You don't seem to be satisfied with this, however. I sent you all the information to contact them yourself if you were not satisfied with the work I did. Has anything come of that? What has your interaction with them resulted in?

Thanks for you thoughts and time on this. I am really hoping that your work can be a blessing to many.

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Don Kolafa | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 9:18 AM

Tim,

I, too, am anxious for this incredible resource to be available for more widespread use.  I consider the Serendipity Bible as break-through material.: it equips a novice to lead a small-group Bible study on any book of the Bible.  However, I don't think you truly appreciate my copyright infringement considerations.

  1. Your 'partial-copy' argument does not apply since two separate copyrights cover this material:  the NIV text has a separate copyright from the margin questions which are covered under a separate 'Serendipity House' copyright.  I would be providing the FULL Serendipity House copyrighted material.
  2. This is a good idea.  I'm convinced.  See below.
  3. While I appreciate your efforts, the Zondervan paperwork you sent to me did not seem to be applicable.  It was a request to re-print a very small portion of the complete work, as one would do when quoting a few paragraphs within a separate published work.

My original post here was to generate sufficient interest that someone would 'grease' the skids to formal permission from Zondervan.  You moved in that direction.  I think that I will proceed with a Biblical book or two using the 'Faithlife group documents' method you note.  I'll try to get smarter over the next few days then post one book of the Bible.  Any specific book request?

I don't want to give up on this distribution, but fully respect copyright protection.

Don Kolafa.

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John Eggen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 9:38 AM

Do you think Logos could provide any assistance in this process?

Also, Don, if we can individually demonstrate that we own a copy (or multiple copies!) of Bibles with the study notes in them would you consider distributing them directly?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 11:42 AM

John Eggen:

Do you think Logos could provide any assistance in this process?

Also, Don, if we can individually demonstrate that we own a copy (or multiple copies!) of Bibles with the study notes in them would you consider distributing them directly?

I personally have shared copyright works i have inputed for my own personal use with others i know have them in Hard copy. However this is not fair use like you have with DVD and CD's. Because most every copyright page expressly forbids you to enter it into an electronic device. Don's placing it in a device for his own personal use is technically an illegal in and of itself. I own both the NIV version and the Catholic NAB version and would love the questions, but the truth of the matter is even if we own a hundred physical copies it would never be legal for us to have a electronic copy. That said in practice I do not see a publisher ever going after an end user inputing it for their own private usage despite the fact they are breaking copyright law, especially when there is no possible source for the purchase of an electronic copy. 

-Dan

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Patrick Rietveld | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 11:59 AM

I am trying to follow the discussion. Has Zondervan been contacted? Are they willing to create an electronic version? That would be really cool to have it in Logos. Then I don't need to carry around this bible and a Dutch one.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 1:15 PM

Patrick Rietveld:

I am trying to follow the discussion. Has Zondervan been contacted? Are they willing to create an electronic version? That would be really cool to have it in Logos. Then I don't need to carry around this bible and a Dutch one.

Yes Patrick, I personally contacted Zondervan about this. I sent this information to Don privately, but perhaps if I post it here the rest of you can help us get to the bottom of it. I tried to get the ball rolling on this, perhaps someone else can pick up where I left off? Don has asked for our help on this.

Zondervan doesn't seem to have plans for a digital version at the moment. I can't speak for Logos. The gentleman I spoke with at Zondervan told me that if we are wanting to distribute it electronically in a small group setting (which is kinda what I’m thinking it would be considered if you do it through a Faithlife group under the documents section) then that shouldn’t be a problem, and that we shouldn't even need to ask for permission.

However, if we want to obtain more official permission directly from Zondervan, he gave me this link to a form we would have to fill out requesting permission. It looks kinda like a complicated process that says it could take up to 6-8 weeks turnaround time. Anyway, I’ve included the link to the form to fill out in case we’re interested in going that route, but like I said, personally I think we should be ok, especially with gaining verbal permission to do it from a Zondervan representative over the phone.

Here is the link to the permission request form:

http://www.harpercollinschristian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/hccp-permissions-form.docx

Also, here is the number that I called to speak with them about it:

(616) 698-6900

Let me know what you guys think.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2015 3:32 PM

I've been interested in getting this in Logos for a long time. Thanks for reviving this thread.

Tim Taylor:
The gentleman I spoke with at Zondervan told me that if we are wanting to distribute it electronically in a small group setting (which is kinda what I’m thinking it would be considered if you do it through a Faithlife group under the documents section) then that shouldn’t be a problem, and that we shouldn't even need to ask for permission.

As much as I would love to make this into a personal book from my understanding this is not allowed because it is still under copyright.

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Patrick Rietveld | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2015 4:40 AM

But what would happen if  some of us put all these notes in docx file and send it to Zondervan, asking them to publish it in Logos and other electronic formats? I am very happy to buy it.

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