A Question of Speed
I have LOGOS 5 Platinum +, and a late 2008 Macbook with 8g memory. I have noticed that LOGOS 5 is slightly slower than LOGOS 4, while most people are reporting that it is faster. I also have LOGOS 5 on a 1 yr old laptop PC which I prefer not to use (but that's another story 
. LOGOS 5 is definitely faster on the PC, than 4 was, and the PC is at least 3 times faster than the macbook.
My question is, is there anything I can do to dramatically speed up LOGOS 5 on the macbook? I.e. an SSD? If so, any suggestions of what/where to buy, and ideas of speed improvements I might see?
Or I'm I just looking at a 4.5 year old computer and new software, so am not going to see much improvements?
Thanks in advance,
James
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SSD is a huge difference and in my opinion the best hardware improvement you can make to improve the performance of L4 or L5.
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Are we looking at 2x faster, 20x, 20%, etc???John Fidel said:SSD is a huge difference and in my opinion the best hardware improvement you can make to improve the performance of L4 or L5.
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Part of the answer may depend on what you're doing.
As a bit of background, my work is in layout. So I have Photoshop, InDesgin and Illustrator running at once in some cases along with a browser, mail program and other things. This is on a 3 year old iMac.
I have the iMac maxed out to 16GB of RAM and I rarely see a problem doing heavy graphic work.
Yet L5, just like L4, has performance issues... for what I'm using it for. (And I'm not running it when I have the Adobe programs open.)
Part of me can't understand why that is. It seems to me that while Logos does have to sift through a lot of resources, I'm primarily pulling up books of text. Why I see the spinning beach ball so much on L5 (like L4) is a bit of a mystery. However, one of the things I do is to load up about 20 commentaries at once when I'm studying a passage.
As a former software tester, I don't know if what I'm doing is considered a scenario that is very, very uncommon and, thus, not designed for. And I don't know whether Logos can even access all the extra RAM I have or if there's a cap. If it can't access it, that's a shame. But again, my scenario might be uncommon and I've learned you can't design a program that can handle every single strange scenario that people could throw at it.
But my point is maybe more RAM would be good, maybe an SSD, maybe a faster processor. Perhaps it depends on what tasks you're finding slow and what aspects of your computer is getting taxed for those tasks. And then, perhaps, someone in the programming dept. of Logos can explain what you can do to boost the speed so it putting money into the right places.
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I also have LOGOS 5 Platinum +, and a late 2008 Macbook with 8g memory. I would say that Logos 5 is a little faster at most things for me, although it might take longer to open. Overall, it's faster and doesn't freeze as often. I don't get the spinning beach ball as much. But it does just crash and suddenly quit—which Logos 4 never did for me.
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I was trying to think up an advertisement using Dan's really up-beat evaluation of the new product:
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Pastor James said:
Are we looking at 2x faster, 20x, 20%, etc???John Fidel said:SSD is a huge difference and in my opinion the best hardware improvement you can make to improve the performance of L4 or L5.
For longer battery life, Apple often choose 5400 RPM drives, which appears in refurbished MacBook Pro models => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro
Upgrading 5400 RPM hard disk to 7200 RPM is up to 33 % faster in many Mac applications, including Logos 4 and Logos 5. SSD speed improvements can be much more => http://www.notebookcheck.net/SSD-versus-HDD-in-comparison.18750.0.html that used a Mac Book 2008 model for speed comparison. If was shopping for SSD, would look for SATA III since newer SSD's have improved disk transfer speeds.
Noticed Apple has a number of refurbished MacBook Air models with reduced prices => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_air that have 2nd or 3rd Generation Intel i5/i7, 4 GB RAM, and SSD.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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For what its worth.....I've been running L4 on a one year old MBP (7200 rpm HD, 8 gig ram, quad core) and now L5 on the same MBP and a much lower spec Lenovo Twist hybrid laptop / tablet (4 gig ram) with Windows 8. I've now cut over to using the Twist as my "regular" machine. L5 is just so much more responsive. The Twist does have a small SSD to buffer the main HDD, but my impression is there is more to it than just that. I really can't go back to L4 / L5 on the mac platform (even with all the strangeness associated with Windows 8). If I won the lottery, I'd love to see what an SSD would do on the mac side, but I think Logos is up against a limitation of the architecture they've selected.
Can anyone say L6?
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There are the obvious options:
1. Buy a new super quad core mac
2. Buy more RAM (limited on old laptops)
3. Don't upgrade
I've opted for option 3. I'm using Logos less and less simply because it takes sooooooooo long to do anything. I'm on an old 2007 MacBookPro. It has 4GB RAM. I noticed Logos 5 suggests 6GB. What I cannot understand is that my Adobe CS3 apps move quicker than logos and they're processing graphics.
From all the comments I've read it does seem that the windows version is superior in performance to the Mac. I'm certainly not going to spend £1000+ just to get logos 5 running. So perhaps:
5. Buy a windows machine.
There is always:
6. Use a VM, but I would imagine that to be considerable slower.
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Simon smailus said:
6. Use a VM, but I would imagine that to be considerable slower.
A number of Logos 4 Mac users have noted running Logos 4 in a VM is quicker than Logos 4 Mac. If running 64 bit kernel in OS X, suggest 64 bit Windows.
Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Mac#Need_Logos_4_PC_feature.3f
Simon smailus said:5. Buy a windows machine.
Depends on Mac model. Apple has refurbished Mac models => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac
For Windows, Dell Outlet has Twitter coupons: e.g. 30 % off Dell XPS 13" Ultrabook. With 30 % coupon, a Dell Outlet XPS 13" Ultrabook is a bit less than a refurbished MacBook Air.
If was shopping for a computer to run Logos 4 or Logos 5, would look for 2nd or 3rd Generation Intel Core i5 or i7, 4 GB (or more) RAM, and fast storage, preferably a Solid State Disk. Logos 4 and Logos 5 are resource intensive applications, which read a lot from storage; SSD noticeably improves responsiveness (as long as computer has adequate CPU and RAM).
Simon smailus said:I'm using Logos less and less simply because it takes sooooooooo long to do anything.
Personally have learned having less open is more responsive along with knowing how to quickly open more as desired.
Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Getting_Started_with_Logos with many Tips and Links.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I cannot seem to find where i can speed things up by having less open? Does everything open by default? Is there global don't load this resource button?
Logos takes nearly 30s to load on my machine. Searches take ages. The most annoying thing is the autocomplete in the search fields that always attempt to fill in what you're typing, but in actuality, It takes 10 seconds to load and keeps replacing what I type with what it thinks I want. Boy I wish I could turn that off.
The long and short of it is that using a 2.4GHz MacBook Pro with 4GB of RAM makes logos 4 a very unpleasant experience. Loading on parallels didn't improve anything.
What amazes me is that I have no issues with Photoshop CS3 doing complex graphics, but logos can't hack it!
I've started to look for alternatives as buying a new mac just to run logos means logos is out of my price range.
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Speed and spinning wheels are a definite problem on the two Macs we have just loaded L.5 too. Our Macs ( 2.7 GHz Intel Core i7; 8 GB 1333 MHz DDR, AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB) new last year should not have to be replaced just so we may run L.5. The computers seem sluggish. I am very concerned after spending nearly 5k on Logos just last week that it is not as useable as L.4.
If it keeps up with this behavior over the next few weeks we will have no choice but to send it all back and use other resources.Yours In Christ
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5 Solas said:
Our Macs ( 2.7 GHz Intel Core i7; 8 GB 1333 MHz DDR, AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB)
Curious about storage specifications ? hard disk or solid state disk ? if hard disk, RPM ?
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I have 685 left out of a 750 @ 7200 ... HD not SS.
Yours In Christ
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I think the answer is "possibly" related to what Logos developers are now doing .... I have a problem with Bible Sense Lexicon and I e-mailed them on Friday. Here is part of the reply on this issue:
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We have not received any information back from our developers on this issue at this time.
I'd recommend you give us a call at 1-800-875-6467 on Monday to check up on this but it's not likely we'll have a fix for this by then.
The root of the issue is how the new version of Cocoa (a Mac programming platform we use) handles memory. This is a complex fix and will take some time.
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If I am understanding things correctly, I think once they have this fixed then L.5 will run even faster than it presently is (and on some things for me it is faster than L.4 but the more I use it I observe it is slower on other things, et. al).Yours In Christ
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Not repaired, but hopeful.
Logos was able to duplicate the same crash on another machine - using the same books I have open, et. al. So, at least it was replicated on another computer ... which gives them an avenue to locate the problem. ...
Yours In Christ
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