Patrologia Cursus Completus, Graeca, Part 1 (vols. 1–18) vs. Patrologia Cursus Completus, Graeca, 16

So, I still have the Part 1 vol. 1-18 sitting in limbo at $90 community pricing (versus original $399)

https://www.logos.com/product/16530/patrologia-cursus-completus-series-graeca-part-1

but now just saw and bid $250 on the ENTIRE 167-volume set in community pricing (originally $650, but dropped to $250 as soon as I clicked on the bid price - weird).

https://www.logos.com/product/28903/patrologiae-cusrus-completus-series-graeca

FYI - someone needs to change cusrus to cursus Big Smile

So does that mean I'm on schedule to purchase both the $90 set and then an additional $250 including a duplication of volumes 1-18 from Part 1? I certainly don't want to cancel my $90 bid on volumes 1-18 in case the full set never sees the light of day.

Any knowledge about this?

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George Somsel

So, I still have the Part 1 vol. 1-18 sitting in limbo at $90 community pricing (versus original $399)

https://www.logos.com/product/16530/patrologia-cursus-completus-series-graeca-part-1

but now just saw and bid $250 on the ENTIRE 167-volume set in community pricing (originally $650, but dropped to $250 as soon as I clicked on the bid price - weird).

https://www.logos.com/product/28903/patrologiae-cusrus-completus-series-graeca

FYI - someone needs to change cusrus to cursus

So does that mean I'm on schedule to purchase both the $90 set and then an additional $250 including a duplication of volumes 1-18 from Part 1? I certainly don't want to cancel my $90 bid on volumes 1-18 in case the full set never sees the light of day.

Any knowledge about this?

Thank you for calling my attention to this. I was unaware that it was even being offered. I'm in for both so that whichever makes it over the top is the one I'm for (though I would prefer the complete version).

Milford Charles Murray

FYI - someone needs to change cusrus to cursus

So does that mean I'm on schedule to purchase both the $90 set and then an additional $250 including a duplication of volumes 1-18 from Part 1? I certainly don't want to cancel my $90 bid on volumes 1-18 in case the full set never sees the light of day.

Any knowledge about this?

Thanks Eric! Peace to you! *smile*

I appreciate the info! I just signed up for the second one also. Also, I did not "un-sign" the first because I wouldn't want to mess up my place in line -- or whatever! *smile* Thanks for posting! Perhaps Logos will be gracious as per usual and give us the good word, eh??

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440011#Comment_440011

What if partial goes over line and then sometime later full goes over. That is the bid or not to bid question in this scenario

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440020#Comment_440020

It wasn't too long ago that vol 1-18 was going to set me back $399, and now it looks like vol 1-167 may be had for $250 or less. What a deal!!

Hapax Legomena

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440020#Comment_440020

Wow! I'm in.

fgh

Thanks for the heads up.

I didn't realize the Latina went so far into the Middle Ages. And in spite of the name he did include the newest Doctor of the Church Hildegard of Bingen. [:)]

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440042#Comment_440042

I am in on both. Just waiting for a wish to become reality. Maybe I should wish upon the first star I see tonight.

Sleiman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440045#Comment_440045

I am in on both

and I'm in on the three:

and for twice the current bidding amounts. To me in Logos they're worth much more.

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440049#Comment_440049

Me, too (all 3). I'm doing it for the lucky and deserving seminary student or theologian who will get my Logos license for cheap or in my will sometime in the future, as I can't really use anything but the Greek.

Sleiman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440045#Comment_440045

Maybe I should wish upon the first star I see tonight.

A small prayer is usually much more effective [;)]

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440125#Comment_440125

Maybe I should wish upon the first star I see tonight.
A small prayer is usually much more effective

Especially since we have rain right now.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440129#Comment_440129

Especially since we have rain right now

It must have something to do with that dancing you've been doing lately. [8-|] (You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you?)

JPH

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440049#Comment_440049

Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graeca (167 vols.)
Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Latina (221 vols.)

So the bottom bid on these is only 71%/72% off regular price. I understand the value of the set, but I still like a cp discount that's over 80%. Can we get the pricing restructured so as to bid less than $250? I also understand that it may never reach 100% if it goes for less than $250, so you know, whatever...

Fr Devin Roza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440270#Comment_440270

I imagine that it would never reach 100% at prices that low. Making a well done digital version of series this big in Greek or Latin is probably a multi-million dollar project... even for Logos.

Sleiman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440270#Comment_440270

I still like a cp discount that's over 80%

Each of us has different reasons for bidding and different amounts they can afford and the product offer is worth something different to each as well. The rule for everything you buy is this: if it's worth more to you than it costs you then you come out of the deal winning. I don't buy something just because it's on discount. It has to be something I need or want first and then it has to be worth at least the amount I pay for it.

So the question you need to ask yourself is not how much is the discount, the question is how much is it worth to you?

The church fathers are of great importance to all Christians no matter what your background or denomination is. Their reading and interpretation of Scripture are a treasury, from which the Church will forever draw—this, despite the fact that the methods the Fathers used to explore the meaning of the texts were those of the times and cultures in which they lived. They faced challenges from Greek thought and heretical groups. On the other hand, their cultural background I believe is much closer to that during Jesus' earthly ministry than it is now or ever will be. Any respectable current commentary cannot dismiss this fact. Furthermore, they wrestled with doctrines that all (if not most) of us today accept and often take for granted.

To me at least, the literature they produced in the original languages is a priceless treasure. Having the ability with a few clicks to look at it in the comfort of your sofa now 800-1900 years later is a tremendous privilege.

Sleiman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440293#Comment_440293

Making a well done digital version of series this big in Greek or Latin is probably a multi-million dollar project... even for Logos.

I don't disagree, but I still think it's theoretically at least possible to get this through.

If 18000 pages of Spurgeon works made it to production in a few months for less than $50, then I'm going to make some assumptions to estimate how much this is going to cost:

Only quarter the number of people are willing to bid on this than on Spurgeon books (in truth probably this is too optimistic?).
Cost per page of a greek or latin text is let's say 30% more than English (bear with me).
150,000 pages for PL vs 18,000 pages for Spurgeon works.

We need to multiply $50 by 4 (from assumption 1), then by 1.3 (assumption 2), then by 8.3 (assumption 3), we get $2167 per bid. [:'(]

Ok I think we need some intervention from above to make it happen.

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440270#Comment_440270

These are going to be extremely valuable to some and of little value to those who are not familiar enough with the ancient languages; so expect a high price if these are ever going to get into production. We could ask for the ability to bid as low as $100, but that is unlikely to quadruple the number of people able to read, value use and pay for these resources to be digitized in Logos format.........

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440305#Comment_440305

I doubt we would get more than 2% to 5% of those who bid on the Spurgeon books, given the resistance to purchasing anything expensive that is not translated into english.... that would put your estimate up to $10,000 to $20,000 per bid (which probably means everyone would drop out).... getting prices down to the $250 range does suggest that the probability of this getting into production is something unllikely to happen without intervention !!

I see in the pre-pubs that $50 is being asked for a project to translate 800 pages of Latin works by John Owen into English.

How much then might it cost to translate these three offereings (270,000 pages) assuming anyone would take on such a task and finish it for us in Logos format while we were still around to purchase it... [*-)]

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440331#Comment_440331

I doubt we would get more than 2% to 5% of those who bid on the Spurgeon books, given the resistance to purchasing anything expensive that is not translated into english.... that would put your estimate up to $10,000 to $20,000 per bid (which probably means everyone would drop out).... getting prices down to the $250 range does suggest that the probability of this getting into production is something unllikely to happen without intervention !!

I see in the pre-pubs that $50 is being asked for a project to translate 800 pages of Latin works by John Owen into English.

How much then might it cost to translate these three offereings (270,000 pages) assuming anyone would take on such a task and finish it for us in Logos format while we were still around to purchase it...

I agree, I can't see any of these getting into production, sadly--unless they tried one volume at a time. Just not enough people can read the languages. The production of these probably would really put Logos on the map and substantially increase Logos uses, but it would probably have to be done by taking a loss on the sets themselves.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440361#Comment_440361

I'd think the cost would drop significantly with Bob talking about farming out the work to hungry scholars. I'd also think that using fairly basic pattern matching, it'd be fairly easy to check for errors in the process, along with assigning a fairly decent morphology.

Since I'm in the 'suspecting' mode today, I'd ALSO suspect the Logos team is not 'stupid' (that one didn't require a 'suspect'). The old 'toss it up in the air and see if it's a bird' probably isn't the sequence here.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440270#Comment_440270

these is only 71%/72% off regular price. I understand the value of the set, but I still like a cp discount that's over 80%.

So if Logos had set a higher 'regular price' you'd be more willing to bid? Take a look at the print price instead: then the discount for the Graeca becomes 95%. Btw, just a couple of months ago they never told us what the 'regular price' was going to be, so then the discount would have shown as 95%.

Can we get the pricing restructured so as to bid less than $250?

$250 is already less than $1.50/volume. Most resources with bids that low take a long long time to get through CP. Catholic resources have generally needed $6-10/volume to move decently fast. And these aren't exactly small cheap-to-produce volumes with little tagging.

For comparison, Post-Reformation Catholic Thought and Piety (27 vols.) currently sells for about $3/volume. Would you be more willing to bid on that just because it shows as 84% off?

$500 would be far more reasonable, but I can't personally justify bidding that, not when my language skills are as bad as they are. And I'm probably not the only one who would be scared off by that price, so I see $250 as a good starting point. Then the ones who want it bad enough can see if they can outbid us.

What surprises me is that people are willing to pay more than eight times as much/volume for the Syriaca as for the Graeca and Latina. [:O] Sometimes I wonder if people think at all before they bid.

Ok I think we need some intervention from above to make it happen.

It will certainly take a long time and a huge amount of bids. Quite possibly more than any CP has ever had. But there's an awful lot of Catholic priests in this world, and quite a few Orthodox as well, so it's certainly doable. It's just a question of how much efforts they're willing to put into growing the Catholic/Orthodox market. I hope they send someone to Rome, to PBI and all the universities and seminaries, and then on to Jerusalem, to PBI there, and École Biblique, and the Benedictines and Franciscans and all the Patriarchates. And to as many Catholic and Orthodox universities and seminaries as possible in the US, of course.

I wonder if anyone has introduced the pope to Logos? [^o)][:)]

JPH

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440383#Comment_440383

Wow, clearly I was way off base for even suggesting such a thing. [:(]

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440388#Comment_440388

While we already have some relevant dictionaries for use with these volumes, perhaps this is a good chance to lobby for the inclusion of a good French dictionary for use with Patrologia Orientalis ? [;)]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440522#Comment_440522

For sure this is a good deal but what makes me most hesitant is that it doesn't have morphological tagging at this point. I know that there is talk about doing this in the future but I'm not sure how much I will be able to use it without this feature.

Maybe it would be helpful if some of you could explain how you see maximizing the use of this resource. Is it something that you anticipate using often?

Sleiman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440368#Comment_440368

The old 'toss it up in the air and see if it's a bird' probably isn't the sequence here.

I surely hope you're right but I have a feeling it is in this case.

Wow, clearly I was way off base for even suggesting such a thing.

Hey no biggy, you're on the money though regarding the Patrologia Syriaca and Orientalis which is way more expensive per page or volume than other English works of the same size as it is now.

What surprises me is that people are willing to pay more than eight times as much/volume for the Syriaca as for the Graeca and Latina. Sometimes I wonder if people think at all before they bid.

I did [:)]...but still bid high[:$]. I think it's the languages issue which might make it expensive anyway. I will offer to proof read the Arabic texts for free if that helps.

I hope they send someone to Rome, to PBI and all the universities and seminaries, and then on to Jerusalem, to PBI there, and École Biblique, and the Benedictines and Franciscans and all the Patriarchates.

That's a lot of enthusiasm. (Andrew / Alex are you reading?) It's definitely worth trying: huge and concentrated markets.

I wonder if anyone has introduced the pope to Logos?

There's a thought. He has a twitter account now so one might tweet and ask him.[:D]