What happens to my books when I die?

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 25 2017 5:36 PM

I am taking mine with me. 

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Pendeta | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 21 2022 11:29 AM

I agree, no reason Logos can create a legal form the would also list the Beneficiary.

I have already spent several thousand dollars over the past 25+ years but hesitant to purchase the new upgrades, feature sets that do cost more money and not have my books guaranteed by Logo so to go to a Beneficiary.

Really, nothing more legal then Logos/FaithLife having their own form, beneficiary listed the company honoring it.  Not need for outside lawyers. Just honor a verified beneficiary, etc.

Not that difficult.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 21 2022 12:24 PM

Robert J Smith:

Searching the forum is not as simple as it sounds. For instance I tried a search using his OP question and received a not found response, even though the thread is there. I have never been able to find anything with the search function in the forum. 

I search the forums many times. Seems I forget how to do something, so I drag up the forums, search, and generally (I'd say 85-90% of the time) find what I search for. The way I do it is...

1. Go to Home in the forums...

2. Enter my search criteria (keeping it as short as possible). I try not to use quotes or complex searches. I use KISS method. lol

And let 'er go. Like I said... it generally works for me.

Edit:   Oh and about the willing process....  again I keep it simple..... give my username and passwords to the one I want it to go to... and let 'em use it. That way I can live forever!   lol

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

Barney Fife is my hero!

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 21 2022 1:27 PM

Search through Google. Example: Books when I die Logos forum. This will give you more and better results than searching the actual forums. I found different threads that were similar in nature. You don’t even need quotation marks.

DAL

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 1:28 AM

Pendeta:

I agree, no reason Logos can create a legal form the would also list the Beneficiary.

I have already spent several thousand dollars over the past 25+ years but hesitant to purchase the new upgrades, feature sets that do cost more money and not have my books guaranteed by Logo so to go to a Beneficiary.

Really, nothing more legal then Logos/FaithLife having their own form, beneficiary listed the company honoring it.  Not need for outside lawyers. Just honor a verified beneficiary, etc.

Not that difficult.

Executor contacts Faithlife - pays $20 dollars - resources transferred.

Not that difficult.

No need for a form that has to be kept up-to date.

tootle pip

Mike

How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs)

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 8:37 AM

Mike Binks:

Pendeta:

I agree, no reason Logos can create a legal form the would also list the Beneficiary.

I have already spent several thousand dollars over the past 25+ years but hesitant to purchase the new upgrades, feature sets that do cost more money and not have my books guaranteed by Logo so to go to a Beneficiary.

Really, nothing more legal then Logos/FaithLife having their own form, beneficiary listed the company honoring it.  Not need for outside lawyers. Just honor a verified beneficiary, etc.

Not that difficult.

Executor contacts Faithlife - pays $20 dollars - resources transferred.

Not that difficult.

No need for a form that has to be kept up-to date.

My understanding (from the forums--not from Faithlife directly) is that a person's will has to specifically state what is to happen with Logos.  If that's true, does the will have to name the person to whom Logos will go, or can the will leave that decision to an executor or even to those named as inheritors in the will?  If the person has to be named, I see that as a problem because my beneficiary of choice might easily change over time simply as a result of where a person's family members are in their walk with the Lord, their interest in serious Bible study, and their stage of life.  A will is a lot more expensive (and inconvenient) to change than a beneficiary named on a Faithlife web page.

Faithlife is the only entity that has to honor the beneficiary designation, so having a web page where a beneficiary could be named, along with a follow-up email from Faithlife acknowledging the change, would (for me) be the least expensive and most convenient way to handle it.  The acknowledgement email from Faithlife could then also be easily forwarded by the Logos owner to other family members--or at the very least to the family member who is to be the beneficiary.

But if the only way to pass Logos along is to have specific instructions in a will regarding what is to happen with Logos, the least expensive and most convenient way to do that would be to either leave the decision to the executor of the will, or if no executor is named, to have the will state that the person to inherit Logos will be decided by those named in the will, as is done with so many of the other personal property items that a person leaves behind.

The bottom line for me is that if a will is required for Logos to be passed to someone else, I don't want to have to keep changing my will just because I'm required to name in advance, the person who will inherit Logos.  Of course, if Faithlife would provide a beneficiary web page for Logos owners, and then send owners an acknowledgement email when a beneficiary is added or changed, then the will could simply state that Logos is to go to the person named in the most recent beneficiary acknowledgement email sent by Faithlife.

I know... Faithlife has little to gain by providing a beneficiary page other than the goodwill of Logos owners and the potential for additional version upgrades and resource purchases made by the beneficiary.  But, it's nice to dream. 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 8:57 AM

I think it merits pointing out:

- FL has committed to transfering resources from person A, to person B. Within the the contractual publisher agreements. Like 1 transfer only.

- Extending that to death introduces the problem of (1) who is person B (an FL will-form, or a will, and when/how controlling, and (2) who is person A (what was A's intent)

FL would be crazy (exagerating) to get into the death-management business. Though (being serious), maybe funerals are another possible market?

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 8:59 AM
Rick Ausdahl:
My understanding (from the forums--not from Faithlife directly) is that
And thereby hangs the tale. It seems that somebody who actually cares might get some understanding form Faithlife directly -- not from the forums and report back.

tootle pip

Mike

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 9:26 AM

Mike Binks:
Rick Ausdahl:
My understanding (from the forums--not from Faithlife directly) is that
And thereby hangs the tale. It seems that somebody who actually cares might get some understanding form Faithlife directly -- not from the forums and report back.
You mean report back... on the forum?

Sorry Mike... Your point is well taken.  Just having a little fun with the idea of reporting findings back on the forum..  Wink

Truth be told, I've searched the forums a few times on this subject in the past, and have tried reading through some things that IIRC, were posted by Bob or another person from Faithlife.  But I still wasn't 100% clear on exactly what needed to be done, nor how, when, where.  And if a person calls Faithlife and just gets a verbal answer, it would just be their word that they were told such-and-such.  No... such things not only need to be in writing, they need to be from Faithlife directly or they won't hold water.

Also, as DMB pointed out, I understand Faithlife not wanting to get into the "death-management business".  But, "IF" Faithlife requires an explicit statement in a will about what is to happen with Logos, haven't they already put their toes in the death-management waters?

I think it's fine to allow a person to name someone as a Logos beneficiary in a will, but I still feel a beneficiary page would be a more convenient option for Logos owners, and for Faithlife, perhaps even be a step farther away from the death-management business than requiring something in a will.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 10:05 AM

Rick Ausdahl:

I think it's fine to allow a person to name someone as a Logos beneficiary in a will, but I still feel a beneficiary page would be a more convenient option for Logos owners, and for Faithlife, perhaps even be a step farther away from the death-management business than requiring something in a will.

Rick, just discussing ... and convenience is good.

But imagine a pastor (the bulk of Logosians) that has believing kids (possibly pastors), and grandkids (ditto). And a hefty asset ... Logos. And the kids highly value their dad/granddad, and his choices. Years back, he filled in the FL transfer-at-death form. And forgot (getting old). Then, executes his will (after many reminders from his aging wife). This is not far from reality ... and I hate to admit family competition. It's really quite amazing to watch.

FL should step in separately? For what?

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 10:37 AM

Rick Ausdahl:
But, "IF" Faithlife requires an explicit statement in a will about what is to happen with Logos, haven't they already put their toes in the death-management waters?

The obvious thing for you to do is to have a son, or adopt a son, or abduct a child and name him Rick Ausdahl.

Tell the new Rick Ausdahl that when you die the Logos Library is his.

Tell the new Rick Ausdahl that you want him to pass the Logos Library to Pastor X and that on completion of the movement he will inherit say two bottles of say Talisker (most people will do anything for two bottles of Talisker). Give him the $20 up front.

Then when you pop your clogs the new Rick Ausdahl just rings up Faithlife and tells them 'I'm Rick Ausdahl and I want to transfer my licences to Pastor X'. All done and dusted.

tootle pip

Mike

How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs)

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 10:41 AM

Good people.  Good fun.  I sure do enjoy these forums!   Smile

PLUS... I'm forever learning something new.  Today it was Talisker.  Wink

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 10:58 AM

Rick Ausdahl:

Good people.  Good fun.  I sure do enjoy these forums!   Smile

👍👍👍

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 11:01 AM

You know..... in thinking about this.... it looks to be advatagious to have a page in the Logos program whereby the owner can set it all up there... and once the owner is gone... then the new owner is in.

I am with Edward Jones on some things and I filled out a form and it's on file with Edward Jones such that when my dimise comes... it is an automatic done deal. My wife or my kids get my one dollar two ninety eight cents. Geeked

Looks like the process could be that simple in Logos..... The ole KISS system!

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2022 11:47 AM

xnman:
You know..... in thinking about this.... it looks to be advatagious to have a page in the Logos program whereby the owner can set it all up there... and once the owner is gone... then the new owner is in.

Don't forget the legal ramifications which vary from state to state and country to country. When you are dead, it is part of your estate.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2022 12:21 PM

DMB:
FL would be crazy (exagerating) to get into the death-management business.

Don't forget the possibility/probability of Capital Gains taxes once any politician gets wind of the fact that theology books only increase in cost/value as the years roll along.  FL would have to hire a entire department of bean-counters and IT types to keep track of all of the cost basis, proceeds, dates of acquisition, dates of sale, not to mention having to mail out IRS Form 1099-FLs each year.  🤫shhh

DMB:
... maybe funerals are another possible market?

Let's see, the Logos Starter package would be a cardboard box, a dash of quicklime, and a cassette tape playing "I'll Fly Away" in the background.  The Logos Collector's Edition package (aka the Elijah Special) would be a trip to heaven in a chariot and horses of fire.  Wink

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2022 1:49 PM

JRS:

Let's see, the Logos Starter package would be a cardboard box, a dash of quicklime, and a cassette tape playing "I'll Fly Away" in the background.  The Logos Collector's Edition package (aka the Elijah Special) would be a trip to heaven in a chariot and horses of fire.  Wink

I was thinking more along the lines of being able to 'reappear' after your death ... maybe a Proclaim module, special prayers for the disinterested, newspaper clippings to your own desires, digital flowers (with aromas) ... the list is pretty endless (but not eternal).  I tried to think of how you could fit in a collection ... that's the key.

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2022 5:17 PM

DMB:
I was thinking more along the lines of being able to 'reappear' after your death ... maybe a Proclaim module, special prayers for the disinterested, newspaper clippings to your own desires, digital flowers (with aromas) ... the list is pretty endless (but not eternal).  I tried to think of how you could fit in a collection ... that's the key.

Ahh, I see.  Well then, Virtual Reality is the vehicle to use, definitely FL VR ...

    😉

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2022 8:44 PM

JT (alabama24):

Robert J Smith:
Please excuse Alabama.

Were you offended by me? I answered "yes" and said that this topic is discussed often? What were you offended by?

Most likely, if someone asks such a question, he hasn't been reading the forums as long as you.  It would be much more polite just to answer his question, which you did.   And once you have done that, little purpose is served in telling him that he could have searched the forums.

I know that you spend a great deal of time and effort in helping people on these forums, and I appreciate that.  But there is a tone of rebuke in adding that statement. 

I think, ole friend, you have just been up north too long. 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Simon’s Brother | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2022 1:28 AM

While the focus has been on FL knowing to whom you want FL to transfer your library after you qualify for the Logos ‘Streets of Gold’ Base Package wouldn’t FL need proof you had died and proof of who you have assigned to be the executor of your will. As not all Logos users live in US  might need to know if ‘death taxes’ existed in other countries and there impact on the transfe.  Or you could just transfer your library before you die - except we don’t always have an idea when that might happen. 

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