What lexicon to use with UBS Handbook set?
I was wondering what Gk-English lexicon I should use with the UBS New Testament Handbook Series and the Sirach volume?
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I use BDAG and LS
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You mean "and LSJ"? How necessary would those be? SInce it's expensive and as it's probably going to take me a while before I can speak about my Gk skills I was thinking that I could wait until the next Edition of BDAG comes (in 2021 if the Editions keep coming with the same frequency as historically). Doing so would also limit the need of buying many lexicons during a lifetime.
I'm considering purchasing LSJ as I'll study classical Gk in a secular uni first. Biblical Gk only later on some years from now. Would I need the 1996 supplement to the LSJ?: LSJ with or without the 1996 supplement?
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Yes, I mean LSJ.
I had BDAG when I used Libronix, and LSJ came when I updated to Portfolio.
I use BDAG as my number lexicon, since I have been using the hardback version since it was BAG, when I was in college. Then in seminary we had to have the second edition and when the third edition came out, I purchased it. Now I have all three on my shelf, all lined up neat and pretty. About the only time they are used, is when the power has gone out because of storms or I want to feel a little bit nostalgic.
LSJ I have used a lot since it was apart of the Portfolio package when Logos 4 came out.
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I really doubt the college (it has a seminary but I would just study 1 year theology there and then Biblical Gk there) requires students to have BDAG. Are other lexicons that much worse? What is the second best option?
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I can't speak specifically to the Sirach volume but Eugene Nida was involved in a few of the UBS Handbooks and has his hand stamp on the "Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains". Though BDAG is the Gold standard, if you don't have it, Louw/Nida can be more than sufficient. The EDNT is a quality work also. The LSJ is a high caliber work but I believe the 9th edition is pre-1950's.
http://www.logos.com/product/5791/exegetical-dictionary-of-the-new-testament
EDIT: Correction. I see that I made my statement about the LSJ when I was thinking about the abridged version included in a base package.
Liddell, H.G. A Lexicon: Abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1996.
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What's worse, I suspect that the abridged Edition is based on an even older Edition (the 7th, instead of the 9th) of LSJ:
Anthony H said:EDIT: Correction. I see that I made my statement about the LSJ when I was thinking about the abridged version included in a base package.
Liddell, H.G. A Lexicon: Abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1996.
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Unix living in celibacy said:
What's worse, I suspect that the abridged Edition is based on an even older Edition (the 7th, instead of the 9th) of LSJ:
Anthony H said:EDIT: Correction. I see that I made my statement about the LSJ when I was thinking about the abridged version included in a base package.
Liddell, H.G. A Lexicon: Abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1996.
You are probably right.
If you are looking for a BDAG equivalent, though there really isn't an equivalent. Danker produced "The Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament" in 2009 and it's about 1/3 of the price of the BDAG. I have it (Dankers' Concise Lex) and a second edition BADG (both in print). There are very much usable and could stave off the sticker shock on a BDAG.
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[Y]I think that's the best suggestion:
Anthony H said:Danker produced "The Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament" in 2009 and it's about 1/3 of the price of the BDAG. I have it (Dankers' Concise Lex)
But would the 2010 revised Edition of: Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament (Newman, Barclay M., Jr.) or Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains combined with NIDNTT be a good option? Which one of those two lexicons is better?
(I'm discussing NIDNTT in: NIDNTT and Dictionary for Theological Interpretation and http://community.logos.com/forums/p/66283/462823.aspx#462823.)Disclosure!
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My answer here is more of a subjective opinion rather than an expert assessment but I have always found Newman's Dictionary to brief in content.
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Unix living in celibacy said:
I was wondering what Gk-English lexicon I should use with the UBS New Testament Handbook Series and the Sirach volume?
For NT there is only one lexicon—BDAG.
george
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I agree BDAG is the best.
If you're going to buy both the UBS Series and BDAG it is best just to upgrade to Logos Platinum bundle.
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Unix living in celibacy said:
I was wondering what Gk-English lexicon I should use with the UBS New Testament Handbook Series and the Sirach volume?
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Josh said:
f you're going to buy both the UBS Series and BDAG it is best just to upgrade to Logos Platinum bundle.
Logos 5 Platinum, Diamond, and Portfolio include UBS Handbook Series with BDAG. LSJ is in Diamond and Portfolio packages. Gold includes UBS Handbooks.
Verbum Capstone also includes UBS Handbooks with BDAG and LSJ => http://www.logos.com/product/27996/verbum-capstone
Verbum Master includes UBS Handbooks => http://www.logos.com/product/27993/verbum-master
Anticipate academic pricing being available for packages along with payment plan.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Unix living in celibacy said:
I was wondering what Gk-English lexicon I should use with the UBS New Testament Handbook Series and the Sirach volume?
44 "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which someone found and hid; then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. 45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls; 46 on finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.Matthew 13:44–46
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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OFF TOPIC:
Unix, something has been on my mind which has gotten to the point where I really need to ask about it. It is your handle "Unix living in celebacy." I would never consider identifying myself as
George, the happily married OR
George, the widower OR
George, the divorced OR
George, the separatedSo, I am wondering why you identify yourself in this way, are you "trolling for women"? I remember when I did my cursillo at the Convent Ancilla Domini in Indiana one of the girls who turned out to be one of the Cha's introduced herself by announcing that she was now divorced. My immediate reaction was to think that perhaps she was looking for prospects. I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but it makes me wonder.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Besides BDAG it would be recommended to have LSJ for both Lk and Sirach, right? (I'm not interested in Acts.) I understand that a bad lexicon distorts the meaning of words whenever a professor is not instructing about the exact meaning. But if I can I'm going to do something about the costs during a lifetime. It's going to take a while before my Gk skills increase, and I still wonder if UBS Handbook really requires more than Louw-Nida? And for gaining the first elementary skills, wouldn't even Newman be sufficient for now?
Regarding lexicons, I don't feel like waiting until then. I want to be able to study on my own first:Anticipate academic pricing being available for packages along with payment plan.
No, upgrading would actually not be a cheap way. And I wouldn't be interested in all that many books that would come with upgrading, I took a close look in November 2012 (but had not decided to get UBS at that point), so there's not a chance it would be worthwhile. I should perhaps have taken a higher base-package than I did, but I prefer to cherry-pick in order to know that I'm supporting the exact items, publishers and titles that I want to support:Josh said:If you're going to buy both the UBS Series and BDAG it is best just to upgrade to Logos Platinum bundle.
First of all there's about no risk that here are any women from Sweden or Finland whatsoever. Second of all I have found it surprisingly easy to live without sex, earlier on in the mid 00's I used to fear this. Third of all I have a female friend and she can become jealous and I don't want to loose the friendship with her. Fourth of all I'm messaging with a new girl already (I have stated that I'm only interested in friendship), but I won't be interested in her if it's not possible to discuss theology with her. So there's really no room for anyone more. I'm really not trying to contact any more women. I hope I have explained this sufficiently. I remember in horror my pastor from 10 years ago and his suspicious network (or more exactly one person in his network whom I don't know exactly who it was):George Somsel said:I remember when I did my cursillo at the Convent Ancilla Domini in Indiana one of the girls who turned out to be one of the Cha's introduced herself by announcing that she was now divorced. My immediate reaction was to think that perhaps she was looking for prospects. I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but it makes me wonder.
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Unix living in celibacy said:
No, upgrading would
actually not be a cheap way. And I wouldn't be interested in all that
many books that would come with upgrading, I took a close look in
November 2012 (but had not decided to get UBS at that point), so there's
not a chance it would be worthwhile. I should perhaps have taken a
higher base-package than I did, but I prefer to cherry-pick in order to
know that I'm supporting the exact items, publishers and titles that I
want to support.Funny. I have never bought a book to help support a specific author or publisher. I've always bought them to support my habit. [:)]
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I have a problem, I'm trying to think is there any publisher that I like. I don't know whether I dislike Zondervan or Abingdon Press the most:
Josh said:Funny. I have never bought a book to help support a specific author or publisher. I've always bought them to support my habit.
There's some opinions in: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/51771/380582.aspx#380582
Quotes: " ISBE. Though it is older (1979 revised, I believe), it covers all the bases and goes into sufficient depth. It's orientation is orthodox, conservative."
"Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible is one of the most up to date Bible dictionaries out there, it had the same general editor as the Anchor and is usually my first stop looking anything up. Then I go to NIDB or Anchor, unless it's a more lexical curiosity, which ISBE works best on."Disclosure!
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Unix living in celibacy said:
Initial study does not need lexicon(s) since can focus on learning language items and paradigms along with sentence diagramming.
Logos has => http://www.logos.com/product/4701/learning-new-testament-greek-now-and-then that includes Sentence Diagramming.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Depending upon how you most easily learn a language, I would suggest that you get a basic grammar and a basic lexicon. You do not need an interlinear or morphological tagging until you are far enough along to recognize mistakes in the tagging. The Perseus site does have morphological options but I think you lack the internet connection.
A good alternative for people who prefer more guidance in learning, simply choose a teach yourself Greek book, work though it, then get yourself a grammar an a lexicon. You'll have a better sense of which volumes you'll like best after the brief self-taught course. And hold off on sentence diagrams until you're ready for a syntax reference. You need to break your current patterns of syntax to learn Greek syntax. Too much translation and too little reading is a dangerous mixture.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Depending upon how you most easily learn a language, I would suggest that you get a basic grammar and a basic lexicon. You do not need an interlinear or morphological tagging until you are far enough along to recognize mistakes in the tagging. The Perseus site does have morphological options but I think you lack the internet connection.
A good alternative for people who prefer more guidance in learning, simply choose a teach yourself Greek book, work though it, then get yourself a grammar an a lexicon. You'll have a better sense of which volumes you'll like best after the brief self-taught course. And hold off on sentence diagrams until you're ready for a syntax reference. You need to break your current patterns of syntax to learn Greek syntax. Too much translation and too little reading is a dangerous mixture.
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New question: Is there some resource that can turn transliterated Biblical Gk back to non-transliterated Gk words? It's OK if it's not very comprehensive. (If there isn't in the software but is as printed matter that helps too if You could tell me one!) The reason why I'm asking, is that yesterday I got sample pages from the dictionaries NIDNTT and revised ISBE and it seems like they have transliterated Gk only (will double-check that about a month from now when I go to the good libraries that have all the dictionaries), and I would really have preferred to see the real Gk.
I have a basic grammar, bought separately at pre-pub price. I have the lexicons included in OLL. Perhaps I use the Newman's lexicon that I have as I've been told in this thread that that's the most simple one:MJ. Smith said:Depending upon how you most easily learn a language, I would suggest that you get a basic grammar and a basic lexicon.
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Unix living in celibacy said:
Is there some resource that can turn transliterated Biblical Gk back to non-transliterated Gk words?
You can type transliterated words into a range of the Logos input boxes (prefixed with "g:") and get the original Greek shown. Some examples below:
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