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if anyone from the Logos team is reading this, you should escalate this to you VP or board of directors.

Bob Pritchett, CEO, recently posted his thoughts on Windows Phone here: 

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Peter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 8:13 PM

It's getting quite interesting isn't it. my household is now exclusively Nokia Lumia Windows Phones. My wife loves her Surface tablet and couldn't be bothered with the miserable excuse for an app that Logos has on that platform. It's not just Logos that has to invest in apps for different platforms. As a group, LOGOS users may well have the largest investment of any other brand app. LOGOS needs to respect that investment by supporting Microsoft a fine American company whose mobile platforms are increasing market share Q on Q around the world if not in America. I have had to purchase a Nexus 7 just to get Logos into my pocket. Wake up people. You have had long enough now to get this anomaly sorted.

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 9:47 PM

My household is exclusively Windows Phone as well.  On top of that my my in-laws (both over 70 years of age) and a niece have all bought Lumias too. 

I see that Windows Phone is slowly clawing its way to a bigger market share (5.3% market share) up from around 4 a year ago (see  

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 3 2014 7:29 AM

"In addition to unveiling its intelligent voice assistant planned for Windows Phone 8.1 and announcing the Windows 8.1 update, Microsoft's top executives talked of progress towards unifying its operating system across PCs, tablets, phones and its Xbox gaming platform. [...] Underscoring the progress Microsoft has made toward that effort, Microsoft's new CEO Satya Nadella said that 90 percent of its APIs are now common and this should remove some of the barriers to developing for the various system types. " Redmond Magazine,

Naturally, 10% remainder could be a lot of code for Logos to have to adjust to release on both platforms, and the existing code base is quite possibly not written to take advantage of some of those new APIs yet. On the other hand, not every app available for Windows 8 is a perfect candidate for Windows Phone 8, or vice versa. There's a reason we carry different size screens.

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Thank you for posting this.  I came here to post something to this effect.

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Ps3 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 3 2014 1:33 PM

Yes, I agree and also wanted to post similar info.  I would also add that Microsoft is actually ahead of its time on this concept and once these transitions are more widely accepted we will see thus really take off and other companies like Apple will begin to follow Microsoft lead.   I think there's more to this story in regards to Logos and the "Market Share" argument and I don't fully buy into it.  Right now Logos has developed the book reader Vyrso app for windows store and it is in general inferior to most every other book reader and certainly everything else Logos produces.  It is not optimized for touch and doesn't even size utilizing standard zoom features among other basic reader functions. Based on usage of Logos products over the years it seems to me that Logos has shifted from being "Platform Neutral" to prioritizing Apple products.  Even though Apple only has 13% of the 'Market Share' these days in the phone world while Google has over 80% the quality of Logos products balance is still in Apples favor.  If Logos is merely concerned about market share then what we see coming from Logos would/should reflect that.  Over the past year Windows Phone has increased in market share from about 2% to now just over 4% nearly doubling in the past year and has been trending upward since the release of Windows 8. ( ).  The funny thing is that Apple is trending downward and has lost 2% down from about 15%.  But by the way Logos promotes Apple products you'd think Apple had the majority share.  The days of Windows CE are long gone just like pretty much all of the products from that era. Even Microsoft discontinuance of the Zune was wise since the days of MP3 players is pretty much obsolete and Microsoft's lack of 'market share' caused them to shift to the Phone world and now a 'unified' operating system across platforms.  As the old adage goes... 'build it... they will come'.  Even the windows app store is increasing daily by developers who have 'caught the vision' and soon like Google, Microsoft's app store will be plentiful.  Right now Logos makes programs to run in OSX and iOS with little/no questions asked. The fact that windows 8 has sold over 200 million licenses ought to be enough to put a quality app in the Windows Store.  But like I said, there's more to this story then just 'market share' and we'll just have to wait to see where Logos really is on this. 

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Yves Gerber | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 6:28 AM

As a web and software developer, myself, I would love it if Logos isn't interested in making a Windows Phone app, then can they at least make Web Services available to the general public (similar to Amazon and Google) so that WE can make the app ourselves?

Doing this protects Logos' proprietary code and take the responsibility off of their shoulders for the functionality of the app. Logos' method could require log-in authentication and at least allow access to users' libraries. If Logos could also create a web service method that allows the word study tool, that'd be a nice bonus, too. But for me, simply having access to my Logos resources when I don't have my Android tablet/PC around me can be beneficial.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 6:45 AM

Yves Gerber:
But for me, simply having access to my Logos resources when I don't have my Android tablet/PC around me can be beneficial.

I know its not the same as building an app with web services but are you aware you can access most of your resources at either or

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 7:49 AM
You're right, online access to one's resources is provided by Biblia. Therefore the principal purpose of a WP app should be to afford offline access to a user's library or at least a subset of it.
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OCGF1 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 9:01 AM

Yes, I agree.  Vyrso really should also be a good option but it is lacking in some of the basics as has been pointed out.  Offline access is key even if you have to download to the device as needed.  I believe that is how it's already set up to work.  With a bit of tweaking Vyrso could be what we're looking for since its already available in the windows store.  It's just in need of some help at the moment.  This seems like a viable option with possibilities. Wink

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Diego Lara | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 11 2014 9:05 PM

My household is Windows Phone 8 also besides my sister who is due for an update and I will be getting her a Lumia for sure. My Girdfriend and her daughter are also on Lumia's now. Logo's needs to wake up to reality and recognize that Windows Phone  is here to stay and market share will continue to increase. 

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Victor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 8:31 PM

I never usually post on any forum, but I feel strongly about this subject.  I've had  3 Blackberries and two Samsung Androids and they were semi-useful devices, but often frustrating devices.  I love my Nokia Windows 8 phone.  It's fast, intuitive, synch with the rest of my windows devices.  I am disappointed that we still don't have a Logos App.  Please.... 


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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 3:42 AM

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It's just too bad we don't have a Logos app for such an excellent device. 


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Terry Roberts | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 8:27 AM

There's only one thing keeping me from rushing out and getting my own Nokia Icon. Since public release of new/updated OS's is usually accompanied by the release of now handsets, I'm hoping the latest Windows Phone handset will have a microsd slot included.

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Ps3 | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 2:28 PM

I definitely plan on getting either this device or the Nokia Lumina 1520.  Both are awesome phones.  I know two ip.. users that have jumped ship to W8 devices and have shared their glee with these new devices.  Once my contract is up I to will be joining the Nokia/Windows Phone family.

There's no need to worry about an internal memory card on the Icon because it has 32gb of memory.  The 1520 does have the memory card and I believe it will take at least a 64gb card and possibly the new 128's.

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Terry Roberts | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 3:59 PM

Since I am grandfathered with unlimited data, I am "stuck"with Verizon. (plus the availability of reliable coverge when I travel to the other island).  I will be going with the Icon.  It IS a great phone. But there is no such thing as too much storage (or memory for that matter either).  The apps or lack thereof at the Windows Store doesn't really effect me (except for no Logos of course).

But Microsoft and Windowsphone are hampering their growth by making the devices exclusive. I realize the carriers are largely driving that.Hopefuuly we'll see both the Icon and 1520 available on other carriers soon.

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ETMoore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 4:34 PM



BTW, the camera on the 1020 is outstanding; easily as good or better than a high quality point and shoot (and much more pocketable).

I've read that there's a bit of a lag between snaps which has made me hesitate.  Is it that bad?

Sorry for the delayed response. There is a noticeable lag. Processing the images from the 41MP image sensor takes a bit of time. Nokia wasn't able to add a second processor to offload some of that activity as I believe they were able to do with the Symbian version of this phone (808 Pureview). I've seen rumors that the next version of this phone which will have the 8.1 update will be much faster.

However, I've seen plenty of folks who think the photos from the 20 MP camera on the Lumia 1520 (the phablet) and the 930 (Icon on Verizon) take pictures that are just as good (though obviously not as large).

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 5:40 PM

Lots of activity on this post in the last weeks. Logos, we know you're aware of what's being discussed on the forums. Can you give us an update on your response to the obvious increase in demand for a Windows Phone app?

On the 1020, the lag is probably the auto focus and exposure evaluation, which happens with most cameras. You could presumably turn off some of the auto features and make it faster, though it usually takes the photo quite quickly regardless (< 1 sec.). App start up time is a few seconds, but that's a one-time cost. The sensor size matters after the photo is taken, and the processing does render the camera unavailable for a few seconds, in my experience. If you wanted to take more rapid photos, there's a Nokia app for that, or you could use the original Windows Phone app, which is also quicker (but captures a 5 MB image only I believe). Note that the actual photo taking may seem to take a little while because the sensor is mounted on balls (reducing blurring due to shaking hands) and Nokia leaves the lens open longer (if needed) for better low-light sensitivity. Once the screen blacks out, it's taking the photo.

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 5:56 PM

If Logos won't do it...

I'm not really that eager for a "try-to-do-everything" Windows Phone app. I use Logos on my Surface Pro, and what would really help me on Windows Phone would be certain helper apps. For instance, a way to quickly add a prayer request to my prayer list, or to quickly take down a quote in a note file or pull up existing notes. Also, porting the Windows 8 app that allows the reading of my resources would be a nice start.

Since I'm especially interested in notes and prayer lists: is there a web service that can expose the data for either one for a particular user (providing credentials, of course) that would allow to display all prayer requests/notes, grouped by note file, and allows add/modify/delete? If that exists, would Logos have any problems with a third-party app written against such a web service? That way, Logos doesn't have to make the business case, and we can get our apps...

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Judicaël MARQUES | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 29 2014 10:57 PM

Please !

I could pay to have at least some of my favorite translations readable offline ...

It's not fair for us !...


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