MVP's job description/responsibilities
Could someone point me to the page where there is more information about the MVP title? Or, if not, please perhaps try to answer the following questions I have. BTW, I am not into titles but definitely into functions. So, all of my questions pertain to functions and what to expect out of an MVP. (I know what at MVP is in the NFL 
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Given there are several MVP's now with an iconic type label, what does an MVP now do that the individual hadn't been doing before getting the title? Are there responsibilities that go with the title? Are the MVP's kind of like forum moderators? Was there a vote or were they appointed? I am honestly surprised that there are a few beta testers left out who are extremely knowledgeable and thoroughly helpful to me who are not on the list. Thanks for your help.
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Joan Korte said:
Could someone point me to the page where there is more information about the MVP title? Or, if not, please perhaps try to answer the following questions I have. BTW, I am not into titles but definitely into functions. So, all of my questions pertain to functions and what to expect out of an MVP. (I know what at MVP is in the NFL
)Given there are several MVP's now with an iconic type label, what does an MVP now do that the individual hadn't been doing before getting the title? Are there responsibilities that go with the title? Are the MVP's kind of like forum moderators? Was there a vote or were they appointed? I am honestly surprised that there are a few beta testers left out who are extremely knowledgeable and thoroughly helpful to me who are not on the list. Thanks for your help.
I don't think there's anything secret about this. Many companies have MVP's that serve in their forums to help answer questions.
The invitation I got from Logos said they wanted to acknowledge our contributions to the forums (quantity and quality were factors), and to put a star under our names to "let people know that you're known for your quality posts and are a trustworthy source of information." They also asked that by accepting this honor that we abide by a few guidelines that I, at least, was already committed to (basically don't use your MVP status to undermine the company).
To answer your questions:
We were asked specifically to just keep doing what we've already been doing.
There are no added responsibilities outside of following the guidelines I mentioned above.
No we're not moderators. At least we haven't been asked specifically to do that.
We were appointed by Logos.
Apparently there were a few who were extended invitations who did not accept (yet?). I don't know who they may be. But I agree, there are some here who are just as qualified as those with the stars.
I had hoped that Logos would announce this change and explain it in their own words.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Rich,
That's a good answer to my questions. I admire all of you and am really thankful for your help. Sometimes I think you all deserve much more than "recognition". And are almost Logos employees, at that. Other forums I participate in have some individuals more knowledgeable and active but they do not have titles so I was just wondering.
However, there are times when I want an authoritative answer to a question and I know to put "Logos please answer" in the title to my post.
Thanks, again!
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Joan Korte said:
However, there are times when I want an authoritative answer to a question and I know to put "Logos please answer" in the title to my post.
I understand that need, and hope that by attempting to answer those types of question, I don't jump in where I'm not wanted (I'm sure the others feel that way too). We just want to help other Logos users as we are able.
However, the Logos employees are all working very hard to get my NIV reverse interlinear done before Christmas. So they may not respond much until then. [;)] Actually, they are quite busy now and are choosing to spend their time working on the product rather than answering questions. That's a good priority, I think.
Though sometimes I think it would be great for us to see a bit more presence by Logos employees on this forum. And I've told them so. I'm sure it builds confidence in their company and their product.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
However, the Logos employees are all working very hard to get my NIV reverse interlinear done before Christmas. So they may not respond much until then.
NO, they are busy working on getting Czech Bibles into the Logos before Christmas... The time is short so don't disturb them please [8-|]
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
NO, they are busy working on getting Czech Bibles into the Logos before Christmas... The time is short so don't disturb them please
Why do you want the Czech Bible? The KJV is the inspired one, you should just work from there. The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
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I could not agree with you more and think it could be a mistake if there is not more presence of Logos employees due to the new users who are rightfully dismayed with issues they have with the software. Other users can try to assuage their frustration/consternations but the "big picture" approach is what does work. And taking the dialogue to a higher level than users cannot effectively do.Richard DeRuiter said:Though sometimes I think it would be great for us to see a bit more presence by Logos employees on this forum. And I've told them so. I'm sure it builds confidence in their company and their product.
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Philip Spitzer said:
Why do you want the Czech Bible? The KJV is the inspired one, you should just work from there. The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
Yea, I heard that already. If KJV was good enough for the Apostle Paul, why it would not be good enough for all others [:D] By the way, Czech Bible of Kralitz was translated by Unitas Fratrum scholars in 1579 from the original languages and with the translation apparatus. Excellent work. Yes, but let's go back to the KJV and Apostle Paul [:)]
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Joan Korte said:
And taking the dialogue to a higher level than users cannot effectively do.
You are right. Especially that Logos now directs new customers very often to the forum for getting help with their product.
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
By the way, Czech Bible of Kralitz was translated by Unitas Fratrum scholars in 1579 from the original languages and with the translation apparatus.
1579! It must have been the KJV's rough draft. [;)]
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:Philip Spitzer said:
Why do you want the Czech Bible? The KJV is the inspired one, you should just work from there. The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
Yea, I heard that already. If KJV was good enough for the Apostle Paul, why it would not be good enough for all others
By the way, Czech Bible of Kralitz was translated by Unitas Fratrum scholars in 1579 from the original languages and with the translation apparatus. Excellent work. Yes, but let's go back to the KJV and Apostle Paul 
Someone misinformed you -- or rather, they didn't give you complete information. The KJV was good enough for MOSES. [6]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Yeah, aren't all the cool scholars using interlinears these days?Philip Spitzer said:The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
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Thomas Black said:
Yeah, aren't all the cool scholars using interlinears these days?Philip Spitzer said:The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
Well, I know at least one who still refuses to get enlighten. Because I don't want to call any names, I will not mention Georg [:P]
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Thomas Black said:
Yeah, aren't all the cool scholars using interlinears these days?Philip Spitzer said:The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
The really cool scholars are reading it just in the original languages without the crutch of the English translations at all.
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Rosie Perera said:Thomas Black said:
Yeah, aren't all the cool scholars using interlinears these days?Philip Spitzer said:The Bible in your own tongue...who came up with that idea?
The really cool scholars are reading it just in the original languages without the crutch of the English translations at all.
Yea, it was just about the time to bring this sobering voice here. Otherwise Georg would come with his fierce comment on the interlinears... [:)]
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Apparently we've all discovered what the MVP's excel at: thread hijacking. Fortunately, there is a thread for that: The correct way to Hijack a thread
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Excel at jocularity? inane humor? [<:o)]Thomas Black said:Apparently we've all discovered what the MVP's excel at:
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They're on to me!Joan Korte said:inane humor?
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re: MVP status
Just remember that a "white star on an orange background" is no guarantee of having the correct answers ...
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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JRS,
This is what Rich quoted when I asked about the MVP in the first post of this thread:
"you're known for your quality posts and are a trustworthy source of information"
If you are indeed a trustworthy source of information, then I do want/expect correct answers. I don't mean to sound hard but this is what the statement means to me. In effect because Logos staff are busy working on program issues, then MVP's are designated to help us and answer questions. I guess I think MVP's really do have more responsibility than other users. [*-)]
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Joan Korte said:
If you are indeed a trustworthy source of information, then I do want/expect correct answers. I don't mean to sound hard but this is what the statement means to me. In effect because Logos staff are busy working on program issues, then MVP's are designated to help us and answer questions. I guess I think MVP's really do have more responsibility than other users.
Yes, they have more responsibility, but that responsibility was taken on by them voluntarily and existed in them before they became MVPs; nothing has changed afterwards. The title was given as a recognition of their outstanding service to the forum. They were not just like other users even before having the designation MVP, but it helps the rest of the users recognize which of the forum users are more likely to have helpful answers.
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Well stated Rosie, that is and was my understanding of my end of the agreement. Viz. that I continue doing what I've been doing regarding helping others.Rosie Perera said:Yes, they have more responsibility, but that responsibility was taken on by them voluntarily and existed in them before they became MVPs; nothing has changed afterwards. The title was given as a recognition of their outstanding service to the forum. They were not just like other users even before having the designation MVP, but it helps the rest of the users recognize which of the forum users are more likely to have helpful answers.
There is perhaps an expectation that I/we make sure we represent Logos well (ie with kindness, tact, etc.) since Logos has recognized us as such.
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Now to attempt to answer Joan's original post....
Hmm, There is no page, however today's blog post indicates well, nothing specific.Joan Korte said:Could someone point me to the page where there is more information about the MVP title?
One final note: you’ll notice that some people have special logos under their names. These are to help you identify certain groups of people. Logos employees have the Logos logo, MP Seminars employees have their logo, and forum MVPs have a star. Clicking on the logo will take you to a page that displays everyone in that particular group.
--Getting the Most Out of the Forums - Logos Bible Software Blog
Yeah, well not exactly helpful but it has to start somewhere.As Rich stated it is little more than an effort to identify quality posters with some degree of trust - especially for forum newbies.
Nothing. Assuming we all received the same email and it sounds like Richard did, it is that we keep doing what we're doing.Joan Korte said:Given there are several MVP's now with an iconic type label, what does an MVP now do that the individual hadn't been doing before getting the title?
Not at all, we have no special powers only a mysterious inability to stop checking the forums.Joan Korte said:Are the MVP's kind of like forum moderators?
This is fuzzy. Nominated perhaps?Joan Korte said:Was there a vote or were they appointed?
I've noted that a few who formerly were not white starred have since become so. It is doubtless a process which will not terminate yesterday.Joan Korte said:I am honestly surprised that there are a few beta testers left out who are extremely knowledgeable and thoroughly helpful to me who are not on the list.
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Thomas Black said:
]I've noted that a few who formerly were not white starred have since become so. It is doubtless a process which will not terminate yesterday.
it might be better to assume for now that some of us thought about it before saying yes
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Rosie, the whole "more likely" to have helpful answers I understand but there are times when I will have to have a definite answer to an important question and thus, I will have to turn to Logos for that. And, I do see them differently now with the MVP title; it means that if several users answer my question, then I will go with the answer the MVP gives me. Actually, (this is a joke), we should just let them answer all the questions in the forum. [A]Rosie Perera said:Joan Korte said:If you are indeed a trustworthy source of information, then I do want/expect correct answers. I don't mean to sound hard but this is what the statement means to me. In effect because Logos staff are busy working on program issues, then MVP's are designated to help us and answer questions. I guess I think MVP's really do have more responsibility than other users.
Yes, they have more responsibility, but that responsibility was taken on by them voluntarily and existed in them before they became MVPs; nothing has changed afterwards. The title was given as a recognition of their outstanding service to the forum. They were not just like other users even before having the designation MVP, but it helps the rest of the users recognize which of the forum users are more likely to have helpful answers.
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Exactly, and quite worthy of emphasis, which I've done.Joan Korte said:there are times when I will have to have a definite answer to an important question and thus, I will have to turn to Logos for that.
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who would do something like that?Damian McGrath said:it might be better to assume for now that some of us thought about it before saying yes
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Joan Korte said:
Rosie, the whole "more likely" to have helpful answers I understand but there are times when I will have to have a definite answer to an important question and thus, I will have to turn to Logos for that.
Of course. MVPs are just here to help out, and they'll field a lot of the common questions which will take some of the load off the Logos customer support folks. If you have a question you'd rather ask Logos directly, then by all means do so. The MVPs are pretty sharp cookies, though, and they usually go out of their way to help people solve tricky problems. Not that the Logos tech support folks wouldn't do the same, but when the MVPs post answers here, that benefits everyone else who comes to the forum looking for answers. There are, of course, some questions that only Logos could answer, though. You are indeed right about that.
Joan Korte said:And, I do see them differently now with the MVP title; it means that if several users answer my question, then I will go with the answer the MVP gives me.
Yes, you are right to see them differently now. They might not see their role any differently since they're continuing to do what they've done before, but the perception people have of them has suddenly changed now that they've got the star under their name. So it's a sobering thought for them. They must live up to people's expectations. And they've taken on the risk that they will receive heat from users who aren't pleased with their answers, just as Logos does.
I think JRS was just joking about the Titanic, BTW. There are also times when the Logos tech support people might not be able to answer your questions. That is the nature of software. I've been frustrated by calling companies' tech support lines before. Logos techs are fantastic, but they're not infallible. There have actually been times when MVPs (or beta testers) have known more about the product than Logos employees! Can't find the thread now, but on the release date, one of the beta testers (who I'm pretty sure is one of the MPVs now) had to explain to the salesperson on the phone how the new licensing works. You no longer have to download the files from the website manually, as the salesperson was used to in Logos 3. Anyway, these MVPs have spent hours and hours with the product and they know it very well. And I'm sure they won't answer a question unless they know they've got the correct answer for you. So you can trust them. If they don't know the answer, they will find out for you or refer you to Logos.
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Well now that you've gone this far. Yes it is sobering - as I stated earlier, I do feel I have something to attempt vainly to live up to here. Which is no doubt part of the reason to which Damian refers when he said some have thought about it....Rosie Perera said:So it's a sobering thought for them. They must live up to people's expectations. And they've taken on the risk that they will receive heat from users who aren't pleased with their answers, just as Logos does. I think JRS was just joking about the Titanic, BTW.
As for JRS: I'm sunk. [:|]
An excellent point, however I do frequently volunteer theories which may or may not be accurate - but tend to try to state as much.Rosie Perera said:. And I'm sure they won't answer a question unless they know they've got the correct answer for you.
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Rosie Perera said:
If they don't know the answer, they will find out for you or refer you to Logos.
What sort of reference would you like[:D]
Seriously, thanks for your consideration and support.
Joan Korte said:And, I do see them differently now with the MVP title; it means that if several users answer my question, then I will go with the answer the MVP gives me.
That's probably what Logos are aiming for, especially in those times when they must concentrate their efforts on development, maintenance or document preparation, BBQ's etc.
Dave
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Damian McGrath said:
it might be better to assume for now that some of us thought about it before saying yes
I said "yes" and then thought about it!
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Dave Hooton said:Damian McGrath said:
it might be better to assume for now that some of us thought about it before saying yes
I said "yes" and then thought about it!
lol. I don't think you were alone considering how quickly those stars appeared. I only said yes after I saw that Philip had accepted....
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Thomas Black said:
An excellent point, however I do frequently volunteer theories which may or may not be accurate - but tend to try to state as much
In the past I have surmised a lot, posting possible rationale for Logos 4's design, company policies and direction. All this has been as an outside observer since I don't work for Logos (wish I did) and I was not a beta tester (wish I was.) The truckloads of personal opinion were based on nothing more than my skewed perspectives. Having that star under my name does make me think a bit more before posting. Maybe that is the only reason they gave it to me. [:#]
I can fully understand why the other MVPs are there; just not me. There is such an incredible amount of help they have given since the forum started (and before.) Go look at the Logos Bible Software Wiki http://wiki.logos.com/ (Notice how many of these MVPs contribute content.) Also check out some of the 113 videos on the LogosBible Software Channel on Youtube:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxBKeysMqTU:550:0] There are many people who have helped make the Logos world so productive and fun. A few have stars, many don't. That's why I said I feel like a grasshopper among giants.
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Matthew C Jones said:
There are many people who have helped make the Logos world so productive and fun. A few have stars, many don't. That's why I said I feel like a grasshopper among giants.
Well grasshopper, you have ventured into the Promised Land. Now go and seek out your own portion!!
PS. I was thinking about the zip effect but it hasn't stopped those hijackers with dubious religious affiliations[:D]
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Dave Hooton said:
PS. I was thinking about the zip effect but it hasn't stopped those hijackers with dubious religious affiliations
HaHa Dave, I was thinking of how the star has a zip effect on me. I never dreamed it would have any effect on others. Keeping one's expectations low makes it easier to meet them. [H]
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