WORDsearch with Logos

For a class that I will be taking in a few months, I am required to purchase the WORDsearch Preaching Library. Seeing as I already have Logos, this is a little upsetting to have to go a step down (from what I hear), and possibly have duplicates of material. Does anyone have experience with both the Preaching Library and Logos that would be able to tell me if a) there is a way to import the WORDsearch materials into Logos or b) if there is a package within Logos that is the equivalent of the Preaching Library. I would hate to drop another $200+ on something that could be done for a lot less with Logos.

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WR82

Drew,

I have the WORDSearch Preaching Library I'd be willing to sell you, for cheaper than you can get it from their website.

Please send me an email at 4nbwalburn at gmail dot com.

JT (alabama24)

would be able to tell me if a) there is a way to import the WORDsearch materials into Logos

I dont have any experience with WORDsearch, so I cant be of much help. The only way to import materials is through the "personal book builder" tool, which "compiles" Microsoft word docs (in the .docx format) and turns them into resources you can use in Logos. IF there were a way to take the WORDsearch resources and put them into Word, you would be able to import them into Logos. I cant tell you if that is possible (or legal). NOTE: In all likelihood, you would lose things such as page numbers and hyperlinks, although you could add them in manually (which would be very time consuming). Scripture would automatically be hyperlinked though.

b) if there is a package within Logos that is the equivalent of the Preaching Library.

Do you have a list of resources you could copy & paste? PDF?

Drew Sartorius

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/476999#Comment_476999

Here is what is included in the Preacher's Library:
52 New Testament Sermon Starters
A Complete Guide to Sermon Delivery
A Minister's Treasury of Funeral & Memorial Messages
A Treasury of Great Preaching
A Treatise on the Preparation and Delivery of Sermons
An All-Round Ministry
Anointed Expository Preaching
Barbed Arrows
Bible Illustrations Series
Criswell's Guidebook for Pastors
Encyclopedia of 15,000 Illustrations
Expository Preaching
Feathers for Arrows
For the Work of the Ministry
Fresh Illustrations
Handbook of Contemporary Preaching
How to Prepare Sermons and Gospel Addresses
Lectures on Preaching
Lectures on the History of Preaching
Lectures to my Students
Letters to Timothy
My Sermon Notes
Preaching From Paul
Principle Preaching
Sermon Illustrations from the Bible
Sermons & Addresses
Sound Biblical Preaching
Spurgeon's Farm Sermons
Spurgeon's Sermons
Standard Sermon Starters
Steps to the Sermon
The Art of Alliterated Sermons
The Making of the Sermon
The Pastor's Wedding Manual
The Sermon
The Star Book for Ministers
The Vance Havner Sermon Sparklers
Till He Come
Bible Humor Top Seven Lists
Cantrell's Concepts - Practical Preaching Preparation
Cantrell's Splendid Sermon Starters
Funeral Sermons and Outlines
Homiletical Handbook
Lord Teach Us to Pray
New Cyclopaedia of Prose Illustrations
Pearls for Practical Preaching
Preaching Illustrations Vol.1
Today's Best Illustrations
Today's Best Illustrations
Toolbox for [Busy] Pastors
Vance Havner Notebook
Vance Havner Quotebook
English Standard Version
GOD'S Word Translation (GWT)
Holman Christian Standard Bible
King James Version
La Biblia de las Américas
Moffatt's New Testament (MOF)
New American Standard Bible
New International Version (NIV) 2011
New Living Translation
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Revised Standard Version Bible (RSV)
The American Standard Version
The Amplified Bible
The Message
The New Testament in Modern English
Weymouth's New Testament (WEY)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
An Expositon of the Sermon on the Mount
Bible Biography Series: Joseph
Edersheim's Life and Times of Jesus
Expository Survey of the Scriptures
Figures of Speech Used in the Bible
Hebrew Syntax
Syntax of Moods and Tenses in New Testament Greek
Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon
The Life of Christ
Topics Bundle
Was Christ Born in Bethlehem?
Thompson Chain-Reference Study Bible
Adam Clarke Commentary
An Exposition of Hebrews
Analytical Bible Expositor
Barnes' Notes on the Old Testament
Barnes Notes: New Testament
Bible Background Commentary
Bible Background New Testament Commentary
Bible Exposition New Testament Commentary
Bible Exposition Old Testament Commentary
Bible History: Old Testament
Bible Knowledge Commentary
Bible Reader's Companion
Bullinger's Commentary on Revelation
Commentary on Matthew
Commentary on St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans
Commentary on St. Paul's First Epistle to the Corinthians
Explore Biblical Geneologies
Exposition of the Epistle to the Romans
Expository Pulpit Series - Romans
Gleanings in Exodus
Gleanings in Genesis
Gleanings in Joshua
Gleanings in the Godhead
Handfuls on Purpose
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Hitchcock's Complete Analysis of the Holy Bible
Hodge's Commentary on 1 Corinthians
Hodge's Commentary on 2 Corinthians
Hodge's Commentary on Ephesians
Hodge's Commentary on Romans
Matthew Henry Concise Bible Commentary
Jamieson, Fausset and Brown's Commentary
John Wesley's Commentary
Key Word Commentary
Luther's Commentary on Galatians
Matthew Poole's Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible
Practical Illustrations
Practical Illustrations
Practical Illustrations
Practical Illustrations
Preacher's Outline and Sermon Bible Commentary: Romans
The Apocalypse
The Expositor's Dictionary of Texts
The Teacher's Commentary
Training of the Twelve
Treasures from Judges
Treasury Of David
Ultimate Bible Outline Book
Wiersbe's Expository Outlines on the NT
Wiersbe's Expository Outlines on the OT
Word Pictures in the New Testament
Word Pictures in the New Testament: Concise Edition
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
Easton's Illustrated Bible Dictionary
Figures of Speech Used in the Bible
Hitchcock's Dictionary of Bible Names
Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary
Nave's Topics
Practical Word Studies in the New Testament
Smith's Bible Dictionary
Strong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary
Synonyms of the New Testament
Synonyms of the Old Testament
The New Topical Textbook
Vincent's Word Study in the New Testament
What Does the Bible Say About..
Around the Wicket Gate
The Soul Winner
A Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament
American Quotations/Great American Documents
AMG's Encyclopedia of Bible Facts
Bible Lands Map Set
Dore's Woodcuts
Draper's Book of Quotations for the Christian World
Encyclopedia of Jesus' Life & Time
Encyclopedia of World Religions, Cults & the Occult
Historical Geography of the Holy Land
Manners and Customs of Bible Lands
Photographs of Israel, the Holy Land
The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
Thompson Chain-Ref Bible Companion
Thompson Chain-Reference Bible Photo Library
Where'd That Come From?
Practical Wisdom For Pastors
Answers to Pastor's FAQs
Commenting and Commentaries
The Minirth Guide For Christian Counselors
What the Bible Says to the Minister
All of Grace
Complete Works of Arminius
Creeds of Christendom
Dark Night of the Soul
Finney's Systematic Theology
Grace
Holiness
Institutes of the Christian Religion
Know What You Believe
Know Who You Believe
Know Why You Believe
Luther's 95 Theses
Luther's Larger and Smaller Catechism
Major Bible Themes
Orthodoxy
Prepared Defense
Sketches of Jewish Social Life
St. Paul the Traveler and Roman Citizen
Systematic Theology
The Existence and Attributes of God
The Fundamentals
The Great Doctrines of the Bible
The History of the Christian Church
The Letters to the Seven Churches of Asia
The Temple
The Works of Philo
A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life
Be A Motivational Leader
Be A People Person
Be All You Can Be
Be The Leader You Were Meant To Be
Complete Book of Everyday Christianity
Complete Works of EM Bounds on Prayer
Complete Works of Josephus
Confessions of St Augustine
Disciplemaker's Handbook
Enchiridion on Faith Hope and Love
Foxe's Book of Martyrs
Grace Abounding to the Chief of All Sinners
How to Apply the Bible
How To Pray
Humility
Imago Christi
In His Steps
John Ploughman's Talks
Paradise Lost
Paradise Regained
Pilgrim's Progress
Spiritual Leadership: Moving People on to God's Agenda
The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life
The God of All Comfort
The Holy War
The Imitation of Christ
The Practice of the Presence of God
YFC's Practical Christianity
A Handbook for Engaged Couples
A Handbook for Married Couples
When the Vow Breaks
Butler's Daily Bible Reading
Facts of the Matter
From Generation to Generation
Lectionary
Spurgeon's Morning and Evening
Streams in the Desert
Two Thousand and Ten Choice Quotations in Poetry and Prose
12 Essential Skills for Great Preaching
Engaging Exposition
A Primer on Biblical Preaching

Kevin Maples

I have WORDsearch. There is no comparison to Logos when it comes to functionality. If you buy the books in WORDsearch, you will have little more than the equivalent of PDF copies. You will be able to read the books and make a few notes and conduct a basic search, but compared to the power of the Logos platform it is extremely limited.

I don't know how costs compares or if Logos has all of the books you need, but if you already use Logos, I would highly recommend that you purchase the books in Logos, even if they cost you more. That is just my opinion, from someone who has both.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477003#Comment_477003

Drew - Unfortunately, I saw a number of resources which aren't in any of the cheaper base packages, and a few that Logos doesn't even offer.

Have you spoken with your prof to see if there are any exemptions?

James C.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477003#Comment_477003

Ok. I did some of the work for you. Some of the resources are available in Logos but not all of them. Below are some links to some of them in Logos but I did not go through each and every resource you listed. You may want to ask what resources are essential to your class and see if Logos has them.

http://www.logos.com/product/16055/the-12-essential-skills-for-great-preaching

http://www.logos.com/product/3799/streams-in-the-desert

http://www.logos.com/product/377/morning-and-evening-daily-readings

http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Lectionary+

http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=%22Butler%27s+Daily+Bible+Reading%22

http://www.logos.com/product/6977/when-the-vow-breaks-a-survival-and-recovery-guide-for-christians-facing-divorce

http://www.logos.com/product/7994/the-practice-of-the-presence-of-god

http://www.logos.com/product/215/the-imitation-of-christ

http://www.logos.com/product/210/the-holy-war

http://www.logos.com/product/329/paradise-lost

http://www.logos.com/product/4284/john-ploughmans-pictures-more-of-his-talk

http://www.logos.com/product/1115/in-his-steps

http://www.logos.com/product/7423/a-complete-guide-to-sermon-delivery

Drew Sartorius

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477013#Comment_477013

I have tried contacting the school as a whole, but I haven't got a reply yet. I won't know who the instructor is until a few days before the class starts and I would prefer to not wait that long. Seeing as the class is an intro to homiletics class, I highly doubt 90% of the books included will be used. I think my best bet might be finding a few that overlap between Logos and WORDsearch and buying the Logos version individually. Thanks for the help!

WR82

Hey Drew, what school are you attending? Just curious...

Robert M. Warren

Drew:

It's possible to convert WorsSearch format to Logos by way of a PDF to Docx. I've done it on a few resources from WordSearch's little brother, BibleExplorer. But that resource list would take you 300 million years and, as alabama24 (RTR!) said, you would not have a lot of Logos functionality.

elnwood

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477024#Comment_477024

Why the rush? Is there any reason to figure it out right now? I would wait until you can contact the instructor to find out exactly which books you need.

Drew Sartorius

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477126#Comment_477126

I am attending Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary. The only reason I am so rushed to get this done is because the assignment that would be due at the end of the class (preaching and recording a sermon) will have to be done by week 3 since I already have a preaching date scheduled. I have about 8 weeks until I preach, so I would like to get the resources ASAP and basically start my class early on my own.

elnwood

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477300#Comment_477300

I see.

Usually for those kind of classes, it's not a requirement to have the sermon preached at a church service, i.e. you could simply preach it in a classroom on a Saturday afternoon with a handful of people in attendance. I would recommend doing your sermon towards the end of the term. I think it kind of defeats the purpose of learning in the class and integrating it into your preaching if your final project is complete by week three of a sixteen week semester. You'll probably get a better grade too.

Paul Golder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477300#Comment_477300

I am attending Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary.

I would guess that the requirement for WORDsearch is due to its built in comprehensive sermon organizer and word processor. The word processor generates html flies which are portable and easily submitted for grading.

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477414#Comment_477414

The word processor generates html flies which are portable and easily submitted for grading.

Can't you do the same with Microsoft Word?

Paul Golder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477478#Comment_477478

The word processor generates html flies which are portable and easily submitted for grading.

Can't you do the same with Microsoft Word?

Obviously you can, hence the design philosophy of Logos.

Although one does gain an interactive relationship using the internal WS word processor that would be harder to achieve with Word.

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477489#Comment_477489

The word processor generates html flies which are portable and easily submitted for grading.

Can't you do the same with Microsoft Word?

Obviously you can, hence the design philosophy of Logos.

Although one does gain an interactive relationship using the internal WS word processor that would be harder to achieve with Word.

What does the underscore mean? You lost me on that one....

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477489#Comment_477489

Obviously you can, hence the design philosophy of Logos.

Good point about the differing philosophies of WORDsearch and Logos.

Although one does gain an interactive relationship using the internal WS word processor that would be harder to achieve with Word.

I haven't used that feature in WORDsearch, so I don't really know how interactive it is. I doubt that it would be enough to justify using WORDsearch instead of Logos.

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477579#Comment_477579

Obviously you can, hence the design philosophy of Logos.

Good point about the differing philosophies of WORDsearch and Logos.

Although one does gain an interactive relationship using the internal WS word processor that would be harder to achieve with Word.

I haven't used that feature in WORDsearch, so I don't really know how interactive it is. I doubt that it would be enough to justify using WORDsearch instead of Logos.

If you have never used it how do you know? isn't that like saying "I don't like corvettes because they handle terribly, but I have never driven one." - ?

[where's LaRosa?, he needs to comment here...........]

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477587#Comment_477587

If you have never used it how do you know?

I just haven't been impressed at all with WORDsearch. So I'm not interested in trying anything else in it. I'm sticking with Logos.

BTW: How did you know I've never driven a corvette? [:)]

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477594#Comment_477594

If you have never used it how do you know?

I just haven't been impressed at all with WORDsearch. So I'm not interested in trying anything else in it. I'm sticking with Logos.

BTW: How did you know I've never driven a corvette?

I don't. I was going to use hummer, but then more people have test driven corvettes that hummer's....

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477596#Comment_477596

I was going to use hummer

I've have ridden in a hummer, a member of my church drives one.

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477598#Comment_477598

a little off topic, I have and driven. they are nice but I'll keep my chopped jeep. he did not want to 'scratch' his paint.....if I can't take it into the woods[off road] it will probably sit out front w/FOR SALE.

Paul Golder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477572#Comment_477572

The word processor generates html flies which are portable and easily submitted for grading.

Can't you do the same with Microsoft Word?

Obviously you can, hence the design philosophy of Logos.

Although one does gain an interactive relationship using the internal WS word processor that would be harder to achieve with Word.

What does the underscore mean? You lost me on that one....

Underscores are representative of underlining for emphasis [:D]

Seriously though, without getting deep into the features of another program there are a few things, like automatic verse linking (not unlike notes in Logos), and direct customizable links to any area of any resource in the program.

It's rather like an easy to use version of Logos notes, if Logos notes could also function "standalone" and had more formatting options and speed, and flexibility, and...

But it is a quite simplistic wp when compared to Word.

LaRosa Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477587#Comment_477587

[where's LaRosa?, he needs to comment here...........]

I'm here...

To answer the question, the word processor in WORDsearch is basically akin to what a notes document is in Logos. It can hyperlink Scripture so that you can hover over it. It's a place for a user to make notes & annotations or collection information.

Other than that, there's not much more that I can add to the discussion.

David P. Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477579#Comment_477579

I haven't used that feature in WORDsearch, so I don't really know how interactive it is. I doubt that it would be enough to justify using WORDsearch instead of Logos.

I have a small WS package but I too find the Logos platform much more enjoyable to use. That said, the one feature that I go back to WS for on occasion is the Bible word audio pronunciation feature. It is pretty nice when I am discussing passages in Sunday School that contain a lot of unusual place names or people names.

The closest I can duplicate this feature right now in Logos is to prioritize "That's Easy for You to Say" and use it in the right click menu, but it is not the same. And even though a request for such a feature similar to WS is in User Voice, it has not gained much traction.

To me this is the one thing that WS has on L5 that I find useful to me.

Drew Sartorius

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477803#Comment_477803

Well thanks for all the input guys! My class is only an 8 week class, not 16, so starting early wouldn't make me miss out on too much info, especially since the majority of the online classes is reading. With 8 weeks until I have to preach, I might as well wait to hear back from the school. From what I can tell, Logos is better, but the WS package wouldn't be all that bad. I guess that answered my question [:D]

LaRosa Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477825#Comment_477825

FYI, Liberty does have an agreement w/WORDsearch to make it mandatory for students... much like many schools/seminaries make Logos a mandatory purchase.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477832#Comment_477832

Liberty does have an agreement w/WORDsearch

Do you know how long that agreement has been in place?

LaRosa Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477833#Comment_477833

I don't know, probably since Fall semester? I'm no longer a WS/LifeWay employee, so I can't say for sure.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477836#Comment_477836

I don't know, probably since Fall semester?

That's close enough. I tried to get them to work something out with Logos a couple of years ago. Ugh.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477847#Comment_477847

Logos is definitely a superior product. From what I've heard, the SBC cooperative program now owns Wordsearch. It just runs so BADLY on my computer. They gave all of us a free copy as incoming students at an sbc seminary. Very basic in what was included (a few translations of the bible etc) - but I uninstalled it almost immediately. Any time I try to run it, something that wasn't coded properly for windows 8 causes error messages to pop up. Sometimes this led to a hard crash, sometimes not.

I suggested to my school that they go with Logos, but was told in light of the CP owning WordSearch, he wouldn't do anything that might harm their sales. Though he wouldn't force us to use it either. He is still persuaded that we all ought to maintain a dead tree library at the expense of a digital one.

Seems you were facing the same issue Alabama - Liberty is a southern baptist school after all is it not?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477867#Comment_477867

Liberty is a southern baptist school after all is it not?

No… and Yes. It's roots are completely independent, but there are a number of SBC "big wigs" on its board. It was also approved as the "approved" school for the SBCV when I was an undergrad.

OFF TOPIC: Right now I am skimming both this forum & a Liberty one… there is a possibility that the Sun Belt conference will extend an invitation to Liberty, which would mean a move up to FBS in football. My birth sister attended Troy in Alabama, which is a Sun Belt school. I'd love to see them play. We'd both be cheering for our Alma Mater's, wearing Crimson Tide outfits. [:D]

James William Roberts, Jr.

There is a file called Step2RTF. It is an executable. It take the older step versions of quickverse or wordsearch and turns them into MS RTF format which is then easy to convert to DOCX.

Be glad to send it to you.

jwroberts99@q.com

I used on many of my old quickverse books and put them through the PBB in Logos.

Bill

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477867#Comment_477867

From what I've heard, the SBC cooperative program now owns Wordsearch.

Lifeway bought WORDsearch. The Cooperative Program is not an entity.

I suggested to my school that they go with Logos, but was told in light of the CP owning WordSearch, he wouldn't do anything that might harm their sales

I'm SBC, but do not see any need to give blind loyalty to Lifeway. If the two products were comparable, that might be reasonable.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477935#Comment_477935

I'm just repeating what I was told RE the CP.

Who advocated blind loyalty?
The school and the convention receives truck loads of cash as a result of lifeway. Its an I'll scratch your back, you ignore my products glaring flaws situation.

I am a Logos user, advocating for the use of Logos, and against WordSearch. Also as I understand it the acquisition was sometime last year, so perhaps they plan to step up their game. If so, maybe they are worth a look at some point in the future - especially since they seem to have some resources that Logos does not. If not, then my ambivalence remains.

That would be great Alabama! I have some step libraries that I was wondering what to do with.

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477975#Comment_477975

Who advocated blind loyalty?
The school and the convention receives truck loads of cash as a result of lifeway. Its an I'll scratch your back, you ignore my products glaring flaws situation.

I'm in complete agreement with you. I feel as though Lifeway expects blind loyalty.

perhaps they plan to step up their game

I was wondering the same.

Gary Pajkos

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477594#Comment_477594

Alright, enough of the Wordsearch bashing. It has it's place. It has an excellant reference search when you want to find what books have a reference to the verse you are on (in my opinion it's cross reference explorer is much better organized than Logos' Passage Guide). WS also allowed you to create my own resources for searches, etc. long before Logos came up with the PB. And finally WS isn't as clunky and L3 was. Also WS has a way better note tool than Logos (Logos please take a lesson).

With that said, Logos is far and away a more superior product for studying Hebrew and Greek, has many more tools, and has many, many more resouces; especially significant ones.

Bottom line, Logos 5 is top of the line, but WS has it's place and is easy and use. I have and use both.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/478007#Comment_478007

Bottom line, Logos 5 is top of the line, but WS has it's place and is easy and use. I have and use both.

[Y]

Dan Cleghorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/478007#Comment_478007

[Y]Bottom line, Logos 5 is top of the line, but WS has it's place and is easy and use. I have and use both. [Y]

Bob McCurley

Hi Drew-

I own both Logos and WordSearch and use both regularly. I also took the Homiletics class that you are about to take. You can't get some of the resources that are required for the class for Logos. Although some of the other resources do overlap with Logos (depending on which library you own), I believe that the value you get in the WordSearch library is really quite good. I do feel your pain, though, as I gulped at having to expend that kind of money when I already had a lot invested in Logos.

BTW, I actually end up week after week using the WordSearch software even more than Logos. It is blazingly fast to use compared to Logos and I've found it to be also very user friendly and much more economical to gradually add resources.

Just my 2 cents...

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477867#Comment_477867

. From what I've heard, the SBC cooperative program now owns Wordsearch. It just runs so BADLY on my computer.

Sorry to hear that it runs good on my mac with it;s crossover layer, and is fantastic on my old iMac running virtual PC runs even faster (Virtual PC 7 emulated a 686 running at 535 Mhz/ 512MB RAM). It amazes me that the current of Wordsearch (Version 10) runs so well on that old system. Libronix 3 ran horribly slow on it and I know Logos 4/5 would't even install if i tried.

-Dan

Ben Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477975#Comment_477975

Not a little late to the party on this thread but stumbled upon it looking up WORDsearch info. As an SBC pastor for 20 years and graduate of two SBC seminaries, not sure how Liberty benefits financially from Lifeway (as it seems the other way around). Unless LBU gets a cut from every WS purchase or if there's a Lifeway store on campus with a rental/inventory financial agreement? Otherwise, LBU is listed as "in partnership" with the Southern Baptist Conservatives of Virginia (state SBC convention) but am unclear if that's financial in addition to theological and missional.

The SBC (national convention), however, gets nary a dime, let alone "truckloads of cash", directly from Lifeway (formerly known as "The Sunday School Board" which folk used to call it until the big name change in the late-90s).

Whatever Brinks trucks show up at the SBC Executive Committee offices in Nashville (for distribution to SBC mission and convention causes) are filled by local Southern Baptist congregations that give to the Cooperative Program -- and not Lifeway.

Now, if somebody could show me how to convert the Adrian Rogers Gold Collection from WS to Logos...

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/750321#Comment_750321

Now, if somebody could show me how to convert the Adrian Rogers Gold Collection from WS to Logos...

Convince Logos to buy word search... problem half solved.... Some companies like Accordance will offer crossgades (but even there it is only a 30% off unless the publisher has expressly set up an upgrade path I recently got an official crossgade there of Warren Wiersbe's complete Be Series having all the published volumes in Logos (I did that primarily because they included the Lamentations and Song of Songs commentaries not found in the printed Be series but only in the 6 Volume Bible Exposition series). Logos generally offers no discounts and the best thing I could suggest is find a buyer and repurchase in Logos (which I do not think is an option as I do not see books by Adrian Rogers in the Logos system). Alternatively with a little work by yourself you could copy and past the text out of WordSearch and put them into MW Word DOCX format and import them to Logos as personal books. At this point in time you would not have access to them on your mobile device but they would be thoroughly integrated into your Logos Library on your desktop machines.

-Dan

Daniel Shipton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477009#Comment_477009

I used logos years ago, and have been experimenting recently to see what's actually transitioning. While Wordsearch is more PDF it is very usable and things remain open when program closes, books open easier. Logos is highly expensive, it is harder to navigate, searching things brings up more useless information than in Wordsearch. I think for those using and liking the cost and usability of Wordsearch this move to merge will be very disappointing. I for one am considering just using my Wordsearch until it isn't usable in the future and then finding a more user friendly platform, or just going back to my book commentaries and notes. I don't feel I should have to pay over $600 to get my full library back and be able to take sermon notes, when I was already able to do that on the WordSearch program.. The only writing ability in the downloadable free transition verison is for note into the text. They have no basic document open beyond notes. Which is sad for a program made for study.

Daniel Shipton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/477594#Comment_477594

I agree with you. The learning curve from Wordsearch to Logos will be huge.

The Cost to be able to have the Silver or above for sermon writing is far to rich for this poor pastor.

I'm disappointed in the merger and the thought of loosing Wordsearch and my library. I am looking for cheaper alternatives which may simply mean returning to books and Word.

I pray you find what is needed for your classes.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1118147#Comment_1118147

I don't feel I should have to pay over $600 to get my full library back

Why would you have to? FL intends to bring the resources from Wordsearch over to Logos, which means that you would not be paying anything to "get your library back."

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1118147#Comment_1118147

I don't feel I should have to pay over $600 to get my full library back and be able to take sermon notes, when I was already able to do that on the WordSearch program.. The only writing ability in the downloadable free transition verison is for note into the text. They have no basic document open beyond notes. Which is sad for a program made for study.

You brought up a zombie thread from about five years ago. More recent information will be in the actual Wordsearch forum here.

Faithlife is a business that wants to sell you things. And they aggressively "suggestive sell" more books and other packages to you. More than a few threads have been written with people venting at how over the top the marketing can get, and speaking for myself, I have learned to basically ignore their recommendations, and instead figure out for myself how to wisely steward what I have. And while I don't appreciate the over the top marketing, I do understand the economic realities that they need to pay their bills too.

It is very easy to spend a LOT of money with Logos/Faithlife. But they also give a lot for free:

1) They upgrade the program for free. When an upgrade comes out, often they will hold off a few months on making the new version freely available, but the old one is still fully supported.

2) They give web access to your library for free - including your notes.

3) They give you free books every month if you go to the relevant web page.

My understanding is that Wordsearch users are getting their all their Wordsearch library of books converted into Logos for free - so you keep your books. The few books that were in my Wordsearch account that I haven't used in years were added to my Logos account for free already. So you get to keep the books in the transition.

The way Logos does things, books are one thing - and datasets are another. What are datasets? Well - any set of data that makes Logos resources work better together behind the scenes. I will fully admit that I have been a Logos user so long that I have lots of datasets included from various packages over the years - many of which I don't use or definitely don't use fully. I admit that I don't know the details about what if any datasets you are given in transition. I did see a half price Logos Fundamentals package and a few other discounts. And if you are willing to pay by the year, there is Faithlife Connect.

You are obviously upset at how Logos handles note taking. I will admit that this feature was a bit behind the others for a while - and so many of us use a separate program like OneNote instead. But within Logos you can attach a note to a passage in a resource (eg - a bible verse of your favorite bible) - as well as to a reference (eg. the the bible verse of all your bibles). In my bible study, I do try to attach what I learned about the text to the text itself, and so I am confused as to what types of notes you are trying to make and cannot within Logos. In short, what are your sermon notes other than notes on the text being preached? If you can explain better what you want to do, it is quite likely that someone will be able to tell you exactly what datasets you would need to do it - if indeed Logos can do it. And it certainly will not cost $600.

SDG

Ken McGuire

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1118148#Comment_1118148

The Cost to be able to have the Silver or above for sermon writing is far to rich for this poor pastor.

The cost for "silver or above" is not just for sermon writing. it would also include many resources you do not currently have.

other options (f you do not believe you would benefit from additional resources) are https://www.logos.com/product/165935 or a monthly subscription to https://www.logos.com/product/168691/faithlife-connect-essentials

For my own experience, I write my sermon in another Word processor then copy-and-paste into the Sermon Editor for 2 reasons: 1) it makes my sermon material searchable in the Logos search engine, and 2) it facilitates the production of slides for presentation. The Sermon Editor is much more than a note-taking panel.

I am of the impression that Faithlife wants to please the migration of new customers. The upgrade discount (50%?) is indication of this desire. A call to sales may pleasantly surprise you [and NOT cost $600!]