New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (13 vols.)
Not sure what just happened, but I had this on CP for a long time and now its going to pre-pub soon.. I had it on CP for $50 and its now $20!.
L must have lowered the production cost.
Anyways, a good reference for $20!
https://www.logos.com/product/8567/new-schaff-herzog-encyclopedia-of-religious-knowledge
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I'm . . . . . confused [*-)]
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Maybe they found a source of it digitized and so don't have to do it.
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The line is so far off of the chart that if the scale started at zero, it would be free.
I think this is a glitch. We'll see.
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This is a glitch. We're working in on this right now. I hope to have an answer soon.
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And I was excited that it was gonna go thru. Perhaps some people will bid on it now.
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We've confirmed that this is not over 100%. Bidding will not close next Friday, as the product page currently indicates. We're working to get this fixed.
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Kent Hendricks said:
We've confirmed that this is not over 100%. Bidding will not close next Friday, as the product page currently indicates. We're working to get this fixed.
The system has sent out emails to all the bidders, too. You'll need to send another one, to explain the error.Bidding will close on 5/17/2013 at 12:00pm Pacific time for New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (13 vols.).
The current community price for this product is $20.00.
Your bid for this product is $50.00.
Upon closing, your current bid will be successful and your Pre-Pub order for this product will be placed at the community price.This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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I want to confirm these emails went out. I got one which claimed the community price was $20. Thanks for confirming the mixup, I'll watch this thread and the resource's page for updates.
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Kent Hendricks said:
We've confirmed that this is not over 100%. Bidding will not close next Friday, as the product page currently indicates. We're working to get this fixed.
That's quite a glitch since it is nowhere near going over the top. I wondered at the time that I received my notice since I have been keeping tabs on it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Mark Barnes said:
The system has sent out emails to all the bidders, too. You'll need to send another one, to explain the error.
If this had been any other company doing a thing like this, I would have had an apology and correction in my inbox within the hour. But not Logos... Oh no, they just go home for the weekend, leaving customers in darkness and confusion to figure things out for themselves -- if they can. Nothing in the mail, nothing on the product page. Amazing...
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And they just did it again....
Yesterday Logos put up a huge bunch of new prepubs. I glanced at them, but there was no prepub discount whatsoever for any of them, so I quickly decided to ignore them.
Today I find a blog claiming that most of them are 40% off for the first two weeks, while a few others are 10% off.
- If I hadn't seen the blog, I would have already lost my chance to buy at 40% off.
- There still is no sign whatsoever outside the blog that these are discounted, much less that they are so for two weeks only. They show up with prices in black, no regular price, no saving, and no yellow warning.
- Consequently, if I filter the prepub list by On Sale, they all disappear...
- What price am I to pay? Is it 40% off the 'black' price, or is the 'black' price the discounted price?
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fgh said:
Yesterday Logos put up a huge bunch of new prepubs. I glanced at them, but there was no prepub discount whatsoever for any of them, so I quickly decided to ignore them.
Today I find a blog claiming that most of them are 40% off for the first two weeks, while a few others are 10% off.
I was wondering about that also,seeing how we had a post about the price of Moo's Galatians commentary.
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fgh said:
What price am I to pay? Is it 40% off the 'black' price, or is the 'black' price the discounted price?
The black price is the discounted price. If you click through you'll see that the discount is compared to the print edition.
I suspect that the issue here is that most Logos pre-pubs have three 'prices' set: Pre-pub price, Logos RRP and Print RRP. The search screen shows the discount of the pre-pub price compared to Logos RRP. In the case of these new Baker publications, the Logos RRP is the same as the print RRP, and therefore is ignored, and no discount is set.
In other words, I think this is a technical issue caused by the now wrong assumption that the Logos RRP will always be below print RRP. It just needs a techie to tweak the code slightly.
As regards yellow warnings - most pre-pubs go up in price fairly soon after being launched. That's the norm nowadays.
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Getting quite confusing: Not only the email re the Schaff-Hertzog Encyclopedia but the wave of Pre-pub listings with black pricing.
I too have generally been ignoring pre-pubs with prices in black as up to this point the price in black has always meant this is the non-discounted regular price. Having to wade through literally dozens of new titles posted this week is none too much fun either, not the least of which is that the sequence of new items in the listing keeps changing as new ones are not always added at the top (several later appeared within the ranks of the individual Catholic Bible Study listings for example).
I would recommend that Logos stick with its former practice of indicating directly on the resource page what pre-pub discount % is currently being offered with respect to the intended regular price for the Logos electronic version.
My practice with pre-pubs has been to place orders on a combination of interest in the title, reputation of the author, relevance to current projects or needs and price offered. Those offered with a clear significant discount which meet the other criteria have a good chance of getting a "Quick Buy", others that do not have a current project/need and have a low or "fuzzy" discount are generally parked until the budget improves.
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Mark Barnes said:
If you click through you'll see that the discount is compared to the print edition.
I know. I can count as well as you.[;)] I was just illustrating how confusing they've made it for us.[8-|]
The thing is, Logos never counts discount compared to the print edition these days. We finally got them to stop that practice, remember?[:)]
Mark Barnes said:I think this is a technical issue caused by the now wrong assumption that the Logos RRP will always be below print RRP.
I had no such assumption. What I do have is an assumption that if the prepub price is different from the regular price, the regular price should be listed as well. They have to, the page is coded like that. Without a regular price, the page can't calculate the discount and the savings, and doesn't understand it should make the price red.
The way those pages look right now, they're telling me that How We Got... costs $12.95 now, will cost $12.95 in three weeks, and will cost $12.95 after it's shipped as well. Since no regular price is listed, $12.95 is the regular price. Especially since it's also in black.
Mark Barnes said:As regards yellow warnings - most pre-pubs go up in price fairly soon after being launched. That's the norm nowadays.
It is?? I can't find any of my prepubs that have gone up in price since I ordered, except CP's and a few that specifically said they would.
In fact, I thought we had gotten them to stop that practice as well, but unfortunately they've brought it back for some items. At least this time they have -- until now -- given us those yellow warnings in advance, which is certainly a great deal better than two years ago, but I still find it a stupid practise. They're forcing us to immediately order everything we're even thinking of, which can only result in a large amount of cancellations later. But I guess if that's the way they want it, I can go along and add a lot of prepubs I have little intention of buying at the time of shipping...
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fgh said:
I can't find any of my prepubs that have gone up in price since I ordered, except CP's and a few that specifically said they would.
Most was an exaggeration, sorry. But several do. These are just current pre-pubs that are now more expensive than when I ordered them. I expect more will rise in price before they're released:
- https://www.logos.com/product/22180/understanding-the-bible-commentary-series-old-testament (was $99.95)
- https://www.logos.com/product/8817/wisconsin-lutheran-quarterly-1990-2010 (was $37.95)
- https://www.logos.com/product/24552/the-new-english-bible-with-the-apocrypha (was $29.95)
- https://www.logos.com/product/24042/baker-academic-biblical-studies-bundle (was $988.95)
- https://www.logos.com/product/29160/paul-and-the-faithfulness-of-god (was $99.95)
- https://www.logos.com/product/31386/the-aramaic-bible-series (was $699.95)
- https://www.logos.com/product/30801/commentary-on-the-new-testament-from-the-talmud-and-midrash (was $149.95)
fgh said:The thing is, Logos never counts discount compared to the print edition these days.
Oh, they do. We just got them to rename it from "Sale price", or whatever it was, to "Reg". So the latest prepub has a pre-pub price of $44.95, a regular price of $54.95 and a print price of $71.98. So after prepub it will go up to $54.95. The discount that's listed is the discount on the regular price.
With the Baker titles, I think the regular price and the print price are the same, and that's what's causing the confusion.
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Mark Barnes said:
These are just current pre-pubs that are now more expensive than when I ordered them
Yes, and I could probably list a few more, but they're a still a small minority, and for most of them I know for a fact that they had yellow warnings about price changes at the time of posting.
Mark Barnes said:So the latest prepub has a pre-pub price of $44.95, a regular price of $54.95 and a print price of $71.98. So after prepub it will go up to $54.95. The discount that's listed is the discount on the regular price.
Exactly.
Mark Barnes said:Oh, they do. We just got them to rename it from "Sale price", or whatever it was, to "Reg".
No, they don't. They used to use the highest price as the reference price, which meant that even their perfectly normal price counted as a discounted price. Now their normal price counts as a non-discounted price, and all discounts are counted off that price. That makes an awful lot of difference.
For your linked example:
- According to present calculation method: $10, 18% off at prepub. $0, 0% off after shipping.
- According to earlier calculation method: $27.03, 38% off at prepub, $17.06, 24% off after shipping.
You pay the same, but which sounds more attractive? And on top of that they often used hugely inflated reference prices, making it seem like a book was temporarily on sale for a few percent of its regular price, when, in fact, it was being sold at its perfectly normal price.
The current practice -- current until yesterday, that is -- was an enormous improvement, both ethically and in customer friendliness.
Mark Barnes said:With the Baker titles, I think the regular price and the print price are the same, and that's what's causing the confusion.
I have no problem with that. The problem is that they don't list the regular price, making it seem like the prepub price is the regular price.
My suspicion is that someone, seeing that the two prices were the same, and not realizing the consequences, simply didn't bother to type in the regular prices. And no supervisor bothered to check the work. I may be completely wrong, of course, but until Logos says otherwise, I prefer to believe this is just sloppiness, not an intentional change in how to display pricing.
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fgh said:Mark Barnes said:
With the Baker titles, I think the regular price and the print price are the same, and that's what's causing the confusion.
I have no problem with that. The problem is that they don't list the regular price, making it seem like the prepub price is the regular price.
My suspicion is that someone, seeing that the two prices were the same, and not realizing the consequences, simply didn't bother to type in the regular prices. And no supervisor bothered to check the work. I may be completely wrong, of course, but until Logos says otherwise, I prefer to believe this is just sloppiness, not an intentional change in how to display pricing.
I think you wrote it up as precise as we will get to it without inside information.
And congrats to your 5555th post:
- [:)]Have joy in the Lord!
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The price went up on August 12:
http://blog.logos.com/2012/08/huge-savings-on-a-massive-academic-collection-from-baker-publishing/
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Yet a bit of improvement while I slept: most of the 40% off books now have a "Limited time sale!" warning. But Scripture and Tradition: What the Bible Really Says is still missing both that and a Regular Price, and at least one more book is also still missing the warning. Plus it's got a typo in the author name: Typo in Encountering John: The Gospel in Historical, Literary, and Theological Perspective.
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fgh said:
Scripture and Tradition: What the Bible Really Says is still missing both that and a Regular Price, and at least one more book is also still missing the warning.
What's going on here? Not only is this still not fixed, but now Reading the Bible with Martin Luther: An Introductory Guide has lost the Regular price as well, although I'm 99.9% sure it was there yesterday...
The typo is fixed, though.
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Mark Barnes said:
The system has sent out emails to all the bidders, too. You'll need to send another one, to explain the error.
Still no e-mail...
Plus I'm wondering if there isn't another 'glitch' with the Oxyrhynchus Papyri (vols. 1–15). How did it get that high all of a sudden?
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It's now at about 90%. I raised my bid to the current max some time ago. Spread the word: more bids!
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Please could you clarify for me, whether the Pre-pub colours on the gathering interest bar (red, then orange, then green) represent different discounts? Does the price rise as interest increases? are the best discounts always (or often) at the beginning?
Or am I reading too much into the earlier conversations.
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S.McC said:
Please could you clarify for me, whether the Pre-pub colours on the gathering interest bar (red, then orange, then green) represent different discounts? Does the price rise as interest increases? are the best discounts always (or often) at the beginning?
Or am I reading too much into the earlier conversations.
The OP was for the Community Pricing resource - https://www.logos.com/product/8567/new-schaff-herzog-encyclopedia-of-religious-knowledge
As with all CP Logos users bid on resources. The chart summarizes these bids. If your bid is red it indicates that currently your bid will not be successful if the trend continues. If it is orange it shows the highest bid that will succeed in the trend continues. The orange bar will change to green once it crosses 100% and will then go into production. Right now this resource is approximately at 90%.
I hope this makes sense to you. As you can see it is not about increasing prices but rather about determining what the cost for this resource will be.
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Robert M. Warren said:
It's now at about 90%.
It hasn't budged since Monday. OK, one of the ladies please get in the driver's seat, but don't gun it too much or we'll be wearing mud back there; let's put a couple of bricks under the front of the rear tires and PUSH!
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The top of the $30 dot is just barely eclipsing the bottom of the !00% line. Let's go; tweet and promote!
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https://www.logos.com/product/8567/new-schaff-herzog-encyclopedia-of-religious-knowledge
Just providing another link. Let's keep pushing this.
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Robert M. Warren said:
The top of the $30 dot is just barely eclipsing the bottom of the !00% line. Let's go; tweet and promote!
Tweet, tweet.
george
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Not sure why I missed bidding on this earlier, but I am in at $30.00.
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I have only done this a few times so far. I'm in on the bid. At times I wonder about some of these old works and their original publications, 1914.
I realize how these can complete a thought, give insight on a particular. It seems difficult to contemplate the fact there doesn't seem to be more
publications that are more current to date. Then again, the zeal seems to have lost it's luster with current writers that are well set with the breath and
fever of the Holy Spirit. Let us continue prayer believing another great as Spurgeon will arise and write, write, write with fire.
{BlueBird}
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Roger G Black said:
It seems difficult to contemplate the fact there doesn't seem to be more publications that are more current to date.
There are more up-to-date resources dealing with most (if not all) of the topics in S-H but nothing together in one place as in this encyclopedia; in other words, no equivalent single modern resource.
There have been two attempts that I know of to 'update' Schaff-Herzog. One in the 1950's and another in the 1970's. Neither seems to have met with much critical success. However the fact that publishers attempted this seems to indicate the reputation S-H still held many years after its publication.
One thing S-H seems to be strong on is biography. The $30 I bid would be worth the price of obtaining just this part of the resource (which is unlikely to be much out-of-date).
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Thank you, Robert! I needed that! Appreciate your Good Humour! Peace! *smile*Robert M. Warren said:Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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