Using @ in search to find verbs, present tense, active voice and indicative moods.

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CharlesJ | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 29 2013 2:36 PM

Morris Proctor wrote an article on finding imperatives in 2Tim. a few months ago.    I thought this a good idea to find all present tense, active voice and indicative in the N.T. using ESV, but I get mixed results.  The first time I did a search. selecting Morph, then selecting ESV and Logos Greek Morphology I typed in @VPAI and hit enter I got page after page of verbs starting in Matthew 1 through Rev.  (I was studying a word in Luke 16:18 "commits adultery" which is in the present tense, active voice & indicative mood.")

The next time I did it I got page after page of everything else but verbs.  I then "updated my resources" and it seemed to correct my problem, but now instead of the pages starting at Matthew 1,  they start in 1Cor 5:6.  

Anyone else having that problem?  Am I doing something wrong?  Can I do a search without searching for a particular word and just searching for the tense, voice and mood verbs in the n.t.??

Thanks,

Charles

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 2:52 PM

Charles:
Can I do a search without searching for a particular word and just searching for the tense, voice and mood verbs in the n.t.??

There's no problem with what you're trying it do. It should work. That it got out of sync was probably because your reverse-interlinear didn't get updating when it should have done (there was a bug), but update resources has fixed that. But why does it start in 1 Corinthians. Possibly indexing hasn't finished yet - but if it has, then we're probably going to need a screenshot to see the problem: http://wiki.logos.com/Screenshot

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CharlesJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 4:12 PM

I am going to send you a picture (GIF) of what it looks like on my laptop doing the search: I uploaded per instructions, but it doesn't look correct.  I will try again if this isn't correct.

 Mark:

 

 

 

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CharlesJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 4:15 PM

Mark:  Here is what the search looks like.  Notice it starts in 1 Cor 5:6 and also shows some nouns.

Sorry about the "Norton" notice...

thanks,

Charles

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 4:54 PM

Getting hits on the wrong parts of speech is a side effect of using the ESV - multiple Greek words translated by a single English word (or vice versa) causes this odd effect. It should not happen when one searches a Greek text. I did not have problems with the search - when I sort on part of speech you can see ... The other part of your problem, Mark is addressing - I'll not repeat him.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 5:01 PM

I've run the same search on my  computer. There's nothing wrong, so let me explain why it looks wrong.

Sort order: When you're in analysis search, you choose the sort order by clicking on the column headings. I can't see what sort order you have, as it appears to be sorted by a column that's off screen. But if you click on the Reference column header, it should start at Matthew and go to Revelation.

Nouns: You run into problems like this whenever you run morph analysis searches in English translations. To take the Jude 16 reference as an example, the problem is a Greek phrase is translated by an equivalent English phrase, because a word-for-word translation isn't possible for that phrase. In a reverse interlinear, that means that the five Greek words that make up the phrase are in the same "cell", and because that "cell" matches your search, then all the words in that cell show up in the analysis table. For that reason, it's recommended that you don't run morphological searches in analysis mode on reverse interlinears. You'll need to either search a Greek NT, or use the verses view instead.e

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CharlesJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 6:34 PM

Mark:

Thanks, this sounds very logical.  I don't know what "sort order" I used. I just started using this type of search since Morris Proctor wrote an article on finding an imperative in 2Tim.  I hope I can get better at it. LOL  I will try to use the Greek text next time.  I've got a lot to learn in Logos.  

thanks again for your help,

your servant in Messiah,

Charles

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CharlesJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2013 6:37 PM

MJ:

Thanks for the information.  I am in a "learning phase."  (I am an old dog, but I can still learn new tricks.)

thanks again,

Charles

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