Why is it taking the Adam Clarke Commentary so long to become available?

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jul 4 2013 9:31 AM

This is one of the most important resources I have in my print library (I also have it in another bible software program I use).  It's just unbelievable to me that it's been sitting in Community Pricing for as long as it has without any movement.  Quite disheartening.  It's also keeping me from using Logos exclusively and as much as I want to. 

Can anyone please explain why it's taking so long?

Thanks.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 9:40 AM

Gary Osborne:

Can anyone please explain why it's taking so long?

We all can only guess - am I correct that you refer to http://www.logos.com/product/16526/the-works-of-adam-clarke ?

Some initial guesses (I'm in since Jan 2012 but not at the going rate):

- the price point is much too high for a work that may be had for free elsewhere?

- Logos' production cost is too high since they bundled a large commentary set with a dictionary set?

- this product is not experiencing recent publicity, such as in a thread (you took care of that) or a blog post?

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Daniel Yoder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 10:02 AM

This collection is fairly high-priced, although it would be great to have in Logos.  It is completely stuck in the mud.  With more bidders we could get this into production and drop the price a bit. 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 10:07 AM

I've big on this resource but the price is just too high. I think that the price is scaring people off and the hope of it dropping significantly (to be more in line with other CP resources) is not promising.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 10:35 AM

Gary Osborne:

This is one of the most important resources I have in my print library (I also have it in another bible software program I use).  It's just unbelievable to me that it's been sitting in Community Pricing for as long as it has without any movement.  Quite disheartening.  It's also keeping me from using Logos exclusively and as much as I want to. 

Can anyone please explain why it's taking so long?

Thanks.

I frequently place a lowball bid on something I'm not really that interested in getting but might want to consider at a later date.  I note, however, that I haven't even placed a lowball bid on this.  Why?  Well, it is really much to high priced as it now stands, but that isn't the reason.  I would say that there are two reasons:

  1. It's a one-man commentary.  I haven't been interested in a one-man commentary since Matthew Henry (or one of the greats such as Calvin).  One person cannot adequately cover everything in both OT and NT.
  2. It's got whiskers, and these whiskers are not only fully grown, they are completely grey.  I will tolerate old commentary by some of the greats such as Aquinas, Calvin and Luther, but Clark isn't anywhere near in that category.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 10:59 AM

Daniel Yoder:

This collection is fairly high-priced, although it would be great to have in Logos.  It is completely stuck in the mud.  With more bidders we could get this into production and drop the price a bit. 

It might be better if all bidders over $50 would drop their bids to $50 even. Then the projected "successful bid" would show as $50 and attract more attention.

I just dropped mine.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 11:19 AM

And a lot of us already have it in Logos anyway as an old Ages product, so we would not buy it again.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 11:26 AM

This is one that would benefit from being split into two parts: the six volume commentary and the other 18 works. I'll bet the 6 volume commentary would get enough commitments to publish in a short time.

Maybe Logos would consider this as it is unlikely any of it will be published as currently offered.

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Michael A. Lasley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 11:38 AM

I also dropped mine to $50.

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Daniel Yoder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 11:45 AM

I also dropped my bid to $50.

I agree that Logos should consider breaking this collection up. 

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 2:14 PM

George Somsel:

I frequently place a lowball bid on something I'm not really that interested in getting but might want to consider at a later date.  I note, however, that I haven't even placed a lowball bid on this.  Why?  Well, it is really much to high priced as it now stands, but that isn't the reason.  I would say that there are two reasons:

  1. It's a one-man commentary.  I haven't been interested in a one-man commentary since Matthew Henry (or one of the greats such as Calvin).  One person cannot adequately cover everything in both OT and NT.
  2. It's got whiskers, and these whiskers are not only fully grown, they are completely grey.  I will tolerate old commentary by some of the greats such as Aquinas, Calvin and Luther, but Clark isn't anywhere near in that category.

I completely agree with you about one-man commentaries being things I generally stay away from.  But I completely disagree that Clarke is not to be numbered with Calvin, Luther, Henry and the like.  His 6 volume commentary set is a classic that has stood the test of time and is the foremost Arminian based resource of its kind.  It is an essential for anyone that wants to see something that isn't Reformed in nature. 

Having said all that, I too just dropped my bid down to $50, even though the truth is I'd personally pay plenty more for it.  In fact I'll gladly offer Logos my Calvin Commentaries and give them $50 beside if they'll give me the Adam Clarke Commentary set.  Big Smile

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 2:15 PM

Mark Smith:

This is one that would benefit from being split into two parts: the six volume commentary and the other 18 works. I'll bet the 6 volume commentary would get enough commitments to publish in a short time.

Maybe Logos would consider this as it is unlikely any of it will be published as currently offered.

This suggestion is perfect and really should be considered by Logos if they can't make the entire bundle available soon. 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 3:49 PM

Gary Osborne:
I completely agree with you about one-man commentaries being things I generally stay away from.  But I completely disagree that Clarke is not to be numbered with Calvin, Luther, Henry and the like.  His 6 volume commentary set is a classic that has stood the test of time and is the foremost Arminian based resource of its kind.  It is an essential for anyone that wants to see something that isn't Reformed in nature. 

Just to be clear, I wouldn't number Matthew Henry with the others.  His significance to me is that his is the first commentary I ever bought from a Mennonite-owned bookstore in the town where I grew up with the money I earned during the summer.  The man has a heart and is therefore good to read from that aspect, but I wouldn't rely on him for the understanding of any passage.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 4:21 PM

George Somsel:

Gary Osborne:
I completely agree with you about one-man commentaries being things I generally stay away from.  But I completely disagree that Clarke is not to be numbered with Calvin, Luther, Henry and the like.  His 6 volume commentary set is a classic that has stood the test of time and is the foremost Arminian based resource of its kind.  It is an essential for anyone that wants to see something that isn't Reformed in nature. 

Just to be clear, I wouldn't number Matthew Henry with the others.  His significance to me is that his is the first commentary I ever bought from a Mennonite-owned bookstore in the town where I grew up with the money I earned during the summer.  The man has a heart and is therefore good to read from that aspect, but I wouldn't rely on him for the understanding of any passage.

You wouldn't, but I would rely upon Clarke as much as Calvin.  Clarke's original language skills are superior to Calvin's.  But a difference of opinion is what makes a horse race.  And I do greatly respect, and still read Calvin's commentaries.  Not intended as a put down to Calvin, bless his Tulip heart!

I have not bid because I already have the Adam Clarke Commentary, and few other of his resources in Logos format from Ages.  While I would like to have the other works, not $100 worth.  I am thinking of bidding $40, which is the most I would pay for the resources I don't already have.

 

 

 

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 5:02 PM

Michael Childs:

George Somsel:

Just to be clear, I wouldn't number Matthew Henry with the others.  His significance to me is that his is the first commentary I ever bought from a Mennonite-owned bookstore in the town where I grew up with the money I earned during the summer.  The man has a heart and is therefore good to read from that aspect, but I wouldn't rely on him for the understanding of any passage.

You wouldn't, but I would rely upon Clarke as much as Calvin.  Clarke's original language skills are superior to Calvin's.  But a difference of opinion is what makes a horse race.  And I do greatly respect, and still read Calvin's commentaries.  Not intended as a put down to Calvin, bless his Tulip heart!

Definitely agree about Clarke being far more than a devotional or "long in the tooth" commentary.  His commentary, especially for its day, was very solid with the original languages (much better than Calvin's).  It really is a solid theological commentary in its approach - as compared to something like Matthew Henry.  I think a lot of people that have never used it don't realize that.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 5:32 PM

Gary Osborne:

Michael Childs:

George Somsel:

Just to be clear, I wouldn't number Matthew Henry with the others.  His significance to me is that his is the first commentary I ever bought from a Mennonite-owned bookstore in the town where I grew up with the money I earned during the summer.  The man has a heart and is therefore good to read from that aspect, but I wouldn't rely on him for the understanding of any passage.

You wouldn't, but I would rely upon Clarke as much as Calvin.  Clarke's original language skills are superior to Calvin's.  But a difference of opinion is what makes a horse race.  And I do greatly respect, and still read Calvin's commentaries.  Not intended as a put down to Calvin, bless his Tulip heart!

Definitely agree about Clarke being far more than a devotional or "long in the tooth" commentary.  His commentary, especially for its day, was very solid with the original languages (much better than Calvin's).  It really is a solid theological commentary in its approach - as compared to something like Matthew Henry.  I think a lot of people that have never used it don't realize that.

There is more than simply theological commentary.  The fact that the older commentaries are more interested in theology than in the content of the text is why I don't care for them (besides there have been a few discoveries since that time).  I don't think Clark could hold a candle to Calvin so far as languages and patristic knowledge is concerned.  I like to older commentaries I mentioned simply for the history of interpretation.  I do my own linguistic work with an occasional nod to some modern commentators.  The interest I have in modern commentators is primarily for the other facts that they drag in from history and other commentators.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 7:08 PM

Mark Smith:

This is one that would benefit from being split into two parts: the six volume commentary and the other 18 works. I'll bet the 6 volume commentary would get enough commitments to publish in a short time.

Maybe Logos would consider this as it is unlikely any of it will be published as currently offered.

Well said Mark! I'm only interested in the commentaries anyway.  So Logos should probably split this collection in 2 (one: commentaries, two: the other stuff).

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 10:11 PM

Super Tramp:
It might be better if all bidders over $50 would drop their bids to $50 even. Then the projected "successful bid" would show as $50 and attract more attention.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 5 2013 8:20 AM

DAL:

Well said Mark! I'm only interested in the commentaries anyway.  So Logos should probably split this collection in 2 (one: commentaries, two: the other stuff).

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 5 2013 12:58 PM

As great a program as Logos is and the company behind it, this is one of the weaknesses. Their system of publishing takes too much money to make a public domain work like this worth the cost for them or for us. Since I can simply fire up another program that offers the text tied to a verse the added value of a Logos version is lost. I wouldn't pay anything for this work because I have it in almost every other Bible software I run regularly. I'm not blaming Logos. Just explaining why I won't ever bid on it.

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