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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 12 2013 12:34 PM

I have a preliminary meeting in several hours to discuss the composition of SDA base package/s. Dream with me, would you? Think in terms of the big picture--envision themes more specific individual resources. Any mention of specific resources please put in the context of a larger category.

And please be patient with me as I'll be consulting this thread for your input, but I can't respond individually to every post, except perhaps to ask you to clarify what you mean. So I'll keep your input on one screen as I'm working on the other screen at my desk, trying finish developing an initial proposal to present at my 4:00 meeting with my marketing supervisor.

I'll pray for you as you share ideas, and I solicit your prayers as I evaluate them in the context with what I've already formulated.

I'll share what I can as soon as I can--might be a few days. Remember at this stage everything is just tentative and preliminary--something to pitch to management and get their input as well.

Right now I'm heading off for a quick lunch. God bless you guys.

 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 12 2013 12:53 PM

Martin, it is rather difficult to give suggestions until we know which resources will be available in Logos, but here goes.

1. Academic Package: Teachers, students, continuing Ed.

2. Lay Ministry: Resources aimed at those not willing to jump in the deep end.

3. Children's Ministry: Resources aimed at Children and those who teach them.

4. Youth/Young Adult Ministry: Resources targeted at our Youth to help them build their faith.

Eventually, allow authors to write for Logos, without going through a traditional publishing house, once they have met the "vetting process" that can be set up. The vetting process may be:

a. Member of Adventist Church in regular standing

b. Local Pastor and Conference Admin signs off on it.

Just shooting in the wind for now.

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Richard Bonjour | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 12 2013 1:19 PM

I like the sound of your response!

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 12 2013 1:49 PM

Not to forget the Master package, which would include all of the above, with dynamic pricing.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 15 2013 9:54 AM

Bump.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 15 2013 11:34 AM

Martin Weber:

Dream with me, would you? Think in terms of the big picture-- 

If you have not reviewed what Verbum has to offer check out:
http://scripturestudysoftware.com/ 

If you have Logos 5 you have Verbum.
To turn Verbum on in the command box type "set Verbum to Yes"
To get back to Logos in the command box type "set Verbum to No"

While there start a search and see that there are three preset collections
Catechism, Church Documents, and Church Fathers
You may not have any of the resources to use them but I hope you get the idea.

Open the home page and see a Lectionary and the Verbum Blog open

What I expected of new special interest groups: the Seventh-day Adventist, the Orthodox and all others is the entire effort that the Catholic group has offered:
Yes, packages allowing that group to fully learn their beliefs.
But also help in finding the resources.
And yes, a Blog to explain "things"

Do we want a SDA version of Verbum? Most likely not needed. Just the needed collections.
[[Have not looked into it yet but saw something about swapping collection definitions between users - That will be useful for all of the groups]]

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 15 2013 2:28 PM

Hi David

Apparently there are some subtle differences between Logos and Verbum other than base packages 
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2012/11/verbum-the-new-logos-for-catholics/

Off hand, I can't see any need for this type of use for an SDA package but I can imagine that some of our more conservative brethren might be more inclined to jump on board with an SDA badged version of Logos. OK, we might well consider their attitude to be a little sad but if it helps to them get the benefits of the Logos engine it is worth it. They might even be tempted to buy some goodies to be found outside the SDA fold!

Just my "two-penneth".

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 15 2013 3:27 PM

JohnLBUK:

Off hand, I can't see any need for this type of use for an SDA package but I can imagine that some of our more conservative brethren might be more inclined to jump on board with an SDA badged version of Logos. 

And DAVID SAID: Do we want a SDA version of Verbum? Most likely not needed. Just the needed collections.

What if each group gets a web page and Blog. [not just the SDA group]

with pointers to resources, blog, and other 'things' related to that group  

Yes, it is nice to have resources but the Verbum group added value.  They had a resent blog on how to study the CCC. The SDA WILL HAVE a blog on how to study the works of Sister White.  I have no clue what the other groups would blog but some similar studies.

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 9:41 AM

Lynden Williams:

Martin, it is rather difficult to give suggestions until we know which resources will be available in Logos, but here goes.

1. Academic Package: Teachers, students, continuing Ed.

2. Lay Ministry: Resources aimed at those not willing to jump in the deep end.

3. Children's Ministry: Resources aimed at Children and those who teach them.

4. Youth/Young Adult Ministry: Resources targeted at our Youth to help them build their faith.

Eventually, allow authors to write for Logos, without going through a traditional publishing house, once they have met the "vetting process" that can be set up. The vetting process may be:

a. Member of Adventist Church in regular standing

b. Local Pastor and Conference Admin signs off on it.

Just shooting in the wind for now.

I was very impressed with the general idea Lyndon had of packages appealing to different groups rather than the escalating depth packages that Logos seems to be currently using.

Whether this would work I know not but I think it would be great if it did.

If we do not get more SDA Logos users then we will have increasing difficulty getting books through pre-pub. Edwin on another thread suggested trying to get the NAD conferences to provide the Logos basic package to all ministers. Although one is 'only' talking about $300 that is a lot for each minister when there are no specific SDA items in it. It confirms a need for a basic SDA package at no more than $300 to be available asap. It would need to be attractive to both ministers AND the conference administrators who may well not already be Logos users themselves. I should add that my initial reaction to SDA packages was rather negative. I now see it as essential if at all possible. Yes I am selfish here as I want more SDA books on Logos and this seems to be the best way to achieve it. It may mean that Martin (if he is not already doing so) will need to do quite a bit of chatting with administrators. And he thought he had left all that behind!!

The basic package could be a common core to categories 1 to 3 of Lyndon's suggested list above and it goes without saying that all categories above basic will have dynamic pricing.

Hopefully both the R&H and Logos will see a future in making a basic SDA package available with negligible profit to both parties in order to get an attractive package at a reasonable price that will attract SDA people on board Logos for the future.

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 12:52 PM

John, you and I are thinking along the same lines. I have in final form 3 SDA base packages to propose to Logos management next Thursday, plus a 4th one in development. I'm working hard to keep the price down yet include as much as possible of ALL the many suggestions for resources that came to me on this Forum, Faithlife and Facebook groups of SDA pastors young adults, etc.

My goal for the basic base package is $294. I can't promise that but I'm working hard to achieve that. The top BP includes a local church package with Gold for the pastor and a $300 allowance for every elder and Sabbath school teacher--plus a Proclaim license. The middle BP will be for SDA professionals, with an added bundle for specific professions such as chaplains, teachers, etc.

Many discussions and negotiations are taking place. It is all extremely complex but I'm working hard as possible to make things happen. I think its safe to say that by God's grace there will be at least one SDA base package for sale before the end of the year.

Meanwhile, we are pulling together a SDA landing page--we anticipate our own storefront and app.

That's all I can say at this point. Please pray that the hand of God will help us make it work.

Your SDA servant at Logos,

Martin

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 1:34 PM

Martin Weber:
I think its safe to say that by God's grace there will be at least one SDA base package for sale before the end of the year.

It is fantastic that it looks as if things are progressing. I know that unforeseen problems can happen and cause delays but I hope that they are non-existent. Another thing that I hope that makes it to the final cut is dynamic pricing. Thanks for your work.

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David Salazar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 1:36 PM

Great News Martin!

Hopefully the BPs will have a good balance of all our 6 Doctrines (God, Man, Salvation, Church, Christian Life, Last Things).

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 25 2013 9:22 PM
Keep the good work! Praying for you
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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 26 2013 2:04 PM

Yes, you speak of the general categories of systematic theology that we share with all biblical Christians. Along with that we will focus on the pillars of SDA faith: Sabbath, Second Coming, Sanctuary/Judgment, State of Life in Christ Alone, and Spiritual Gifts (including the gift of prophecy entrusted to EGW).

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 26 2013 2:06 PM

Thank you, Edwin. The possibilities of what all of us can do together at Logos is both mind-numbing and soul-inspiring to me.

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Reimar Vetne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2013 5:16 PM

The monumental work by Richard Davidson (Andrews University) on sexual ethics in the Old Testament was released today in Logos. Since it is "hidden" inside expensive bundles, I hope Martin is able to cherry pick this book into a Seventh-day Adventist base package.

http://www.logos.com/product/23987/baker-academic-old-testament-backgrounds#011

https://www.logos.com/product/24042/baker-academic-biblical-studies-bundle#024

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Garfield Joseph | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 3 2013 3:15 AM

Hi Martin

I had not seen your post before and do not understand the background to the discussions.

However, this is what I would like to add.  I truly appreciate having the Ellen G White resources in Logos.

I believe that the first step is to properly tag these resources so that when a search is conducted we can get the bible ref hits that are included in the document.  As of now, these verses/passages are not tagged so no hit comes back.  Please, please, this must be the first step before moving on to something else.  I am sure you will agree that the power of logos is the ability to search resources.  May God richly bless you and lead you successfully to this reality with the EG White resources that are already in Logos.  

God Bless. 

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 3 2013 10:00 AM

This is in process. I hope that updated EGW writings, re-tagged for the latest searching technology, will be included in all the upcoming SDA base packages. Anyone who already owns the resource will be the upgrade free.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 3 2013 7:01 PM

Garfield Joseph:

I believe that the first step is to properly tag these resources 

The ePub date is 2002 and the last update of the files is 2003.  As I understand some of the situation is that the White Estate has offered updated files [typo fixes] to the e-Publisher but they were not accepted as the e-Publisher was not interesting in updating the White files. The White Estate has made the files available in some other format.  

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 4 2013 8:16 AM

I was not here during that time. I can affirm that the files were originally tagged in the now outdated Libronix format back around 2003 and that now Logos is working on getting the files updated. And we hope to have this done by the end of the year.

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