Academic Discount, Ownership, and Transfer

If Academic purchases are not transferable, then after my death, nobody can claim my licenses or what? Secondly, lets say that I am enrolled to academic discount, then what, are all resources during my enrollment considers as academic and are not trasferable? How do I recognize a regular sale from academic discount? Can I convert academic purchases to non academic?

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Wild Eagle

Additional questions;

when I was enrolled to academic discount I purchased a lot of resouces but now many of them I upgraded with a bundle or different upgrade packages. Are those resources which are mixed are transferable?

ChelseaFC

If Academic purchases are not transferable, then after my death, nobody can claim my licenses or what? Secondly, lets say that I am enrolled to academic discount, then what, are all resources during my enrollment considers as academic and are not trasferable? How do I recognize a regular sale from academic discount? Can I convert academic purchases to non academic?

This might not answer you questions but it could be helpful. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50184/380033.aspx#380033

I think the answer is No to the first question and second question. to the third question-I think that it ALL falls under the academic discount. I see you point as I would like to nitpick as well but no I think Logos makes it clear on the academic discount that it's not transferable. Whereas when I purchased it (Feb 2012), it wasn't crystal clear. Now it is.....If you want to keep your stuff maybe talk to customer services about paying the full rate to change it over. Although I've never heard of anyone doing it. Would it be worth it to make it transferable? Only you can answer that. hope that helps.

Cheers,
ChelseaFC

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509981#Comment_509981

This might not answer you questions but it could be helpful. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50184/380033.aspx#380033

I think the answer is No to the first question and second question. to the third question-I think that it ALL falls under the academic discount. I see you point as I would like to nitpick as well but no I think Logos makes it clear on the academic discount that it's not transferable. Whereas when I purchased it (Feb 2012), it wasn't crystal clear. Now it is.....If you want to keep your stuff maybe talk to customer services about paying the full rate to change it over. Although I've never heard of anyone doing it. Would it be worth it to make it transferable? Only you can answer that. hope that helps.

Cheers,
ChelseaFC

thank you ChelseFC for respond. According to your post, during my 3 academic years: Christmas sale, thanksgiving, march maddness and other titles are all not transferable and after my death they will all go to the grave?

the link above does not really answers those questions

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509986#Comment_509986

What if I transfer them to someone else who is approved for an academic discount?

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509986#Comment_509986

Christmas sale, thanksgiving, march maddness and other titles are all not transferable

You would need to contact Customer Service for an official answer, but it seems to me that these sale items were not purchased under Academic Discount and should therefore be transferrable.

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/509986#Comment_509986

thank you ChelseFC for respond. According to your post, during my 3 academic years: Christmas sale, thanksgiving, march maddness and other titles are all not transferable and after my death they will all go to the grave?

Wild Eagle,

No problem. Yes I think that they would go to the grave with you and mine will as well. My educated guess based on all that I've seen from posters on the subject, Dan Pritchett, and Bob Pritchett is that anything under the discount-sales included-would fall under the academic discount. Although that last part hasn't be explicitly said, but can be implied. This is just my educated guess and I'd like to be wrong on this. As I purchased Logos 5 under the discount but it was the initial launch period so there was no difference in price. The issues that you raise could be quite tricky. Maybe a Logos employee could chime in on this but I wouldn't get my hopes up for sales items or my Logos 5 qualifying to be transferred because it is now very clear when you apply for the discount that you can't miss it. But let's hope my guess is wrong.

Cheers,
ChelseaFC

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510026#Comment_510026

I agree with Jack. Only Logos can give an official answer. But I'm betting your upgrades from Academic to non-academic are transferable.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510033#Comment_510033

Only Logos can give an official answer.

Recommend an email to bob at logos dot com or dan at logos dot com for the official answer. They are President/CEO and VP of Marketing. If they cannot give a definitive answer…

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510033#Comment_510033

But I'm betting your upgrades from Academic to non-academic are transferable.

yes, please let us know if you end up doing that. I'd be curious.

Cheers.

ChelseaFC

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510035#Comment_510035

Many grave packages now offer WIFI connections. Modern version of Samuel / Saul.

I still think they should cap the time-limit on the academic discount.

BriM

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510026#Comment_510026

Christmas sale, thanksgiving, march maddness and other titles are all not transferable

You would need to contact Customer Service for an official answer, but it seems to me that these sale items were not purchased under Academic Discount and should therefore be transferrable.

I'm hoping that jack is correct on this. I've purchased a lot on CP whilst I was on academic program and would hate to think that it would all go to the grave with me. Likewise, there were many public offers, not connected with academic pricing, that I took advantage of and these also shouldn't have the same restriction as the academic discount ones.

I think I'll email Bob to find out for sure.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510251#Comment_510251

I've purchased a lot on CP whilst I was on academic program and would hate to think that it would all go to the grave with me.

Of course, you could pass along your user name and password. Your heirs would just have to assume your identity.

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510040#Comment_510040

Many grave packages now offer WIFI connections. Modern version of Samuel / Saul.

I still think they should cap the time-limit on the academic discount.

Good one.....what do you mean by the second statement? An academic time limit i.e. when you are only in university or a time limit on when books you've purchased become a normal part of your library?

Cheers,

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510251#Comment_510251

I think I'll email Bob to find out for sure.

Please let us know what he says, if you don't mind.

Cheers,

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510380#Comment_510380

Of course, you could pass along your user name and password. Your heirs would just have to assume your identity.

Very cheeky Jack! I'm sure this thought has crossed many minds but you have just expressed what perhaps some people have thought about.

ChelseaFC

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510432#Comment_510432

I won't say they will never transfer them.

BUT!

I think they generally don't.

Also, whats to keep someone from just leaving their username and password in their will?

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510468#Comment_510468

Also, whats to keep someone from just leaving their username and password in their will?

I think there's nothing to stop this and ultimately, this is probably what could be done. However, the weakness I see is that it would make it very hard for your heir to add anything new to your library.

Personally, if I cannot pass my library onto one of my children when I depart (hopefully decades from now), then the Academic discount isn't worth it. I would rather watch for good sales and prepubs, which are often competitive to the discount and retain full ownership.

Bob Pritchett

I suggest (as has already been suggested), reading this post again:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50184/380033.aspx#380033

As I understand it, the non-transferability of academic licenses is to prevent 'I'll buy it on the academic discount today and sell it to you next week for 10% more and you pay the $20 transfer fee, saving thousands!' scenario. It's not to stop you from bequeathing your library in your will.

For what it's worth, we are always on the side of our customers. It's the only smart way to grow a business. Every policy we have that feels restrictive is some legally or financially necessary protection against specific (and sometimes imagined) abuses that would make our business model untenable. If it's reasonable, doesn't kill our business, and is pro-customer, we're going to be okay with it.

I only hope all of our heirs value this investment in Bible study resources as much as we do! :-)

Paul-C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510742#Comment_510742

I suggest (as has already been suggested), reading this post again:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50184/380033.aspx#380033

As I understand it, the non-transferability of academic licenses is to prevent 'I'll buy it on the academic discount today and sell it to you next week for 10% more and you pay the $20 transfer fee, saving thousands!' scenario. It's not to stop you from bequeathing your library in your will.

For what it's worth, we are always on the side of our customers. It's the only smart way to grow a business. Every policy we have that feels restrictive is some legally or financially necessary protection against specific (and sometimes imagined) abuses that would make our business model untenable. If it's reasonable, doesn't kill our business, and is pro-customer, we're going to be okay with it.

I only hope all of our heirs value this investment in Bible study resources as much as we do! :-)

Bob, thanks for another considered reply. As someone who has invested heavily in Logos through the academic discount program - and ideally would like to pass Logos on some day - I appreciate your reassurance. [Y]

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510742#Comment_510742

Thank you Bob for your reply, I already sent an email. I didnt not see this post because I was busy writing an email.

BriM

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510430#Comment_510430

Please let us know what he says, if you don't mind.

He sent a nice reply, reassuring me that bequeathing a library was not the focus of the policy on academic transfers, and he has already posted a similar reply in the forum. So my mind is put at ease now.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510742#Comment_510742

I only hope all of our heirs value this investment in Bible study resources as much as we do! :-)

Thank you Bob for taking the time to post yet another superb response.

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510763#Comment_510763

Please let us know what he says, if you don't mind.

He sent a nice reply, reassuring me that bequeathing a library was not the focus of the policy on academic transfers, and he has already posted a similar reply in the forum. So my mind is put at ease now.

Thanks for sharing.

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510742#Comment_510742

For what it's worth, we are always on the side of our customers. It's the only smart way to grow a business. Every policy we have that feels restrictive is some legally or financially necessary protection against specific (and sometimes imagined) abuses that would make our business model untenable. If it's reasonable, doesn't kill our business, and is pro-customer, we're going to be okay with it.

I only hope all of our heirs value this investment in Bible study resources as much as we do! :-)

More reasons to love Logos! Thanks Bob....

Cheers,

ChelseaFC

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/510871#Comment_510871

Bob- here is another question for you...

Lets say someone buys a single book as part of a set on academic license, but later uses dynamic pricing to purchase the whole set - the whole set no longer having an academic discount. What type of license would that product have? Or would it not matter in that specific instance?

Never mind, the pro-customer part of your answer I think answers this specific question.