FSB should be called the FaithLESS Study Bible

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Ed | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013 6:28 PM

I thought that study Bibles were intended to AID the faith of believers, but the so-called "FaithLife Study Bible" seems to have the explicit goal of destroying it. I have been perusing the Context Studies, and according to every article I've read so far in this FaithLESS Study Bible, the scripture itself seems to be all wrong.

Shame on you, Logos!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 6:34 PM

Don't get me started on what is wrong with all the different Bible versions.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 6:37 PM

Ed:

I thought that study Bibles were intended to AID the faith of believers, but the so-called "FaithLife Study Bible" seems to have the explicit goal of destroying it. I have been perusing the Context Studies, and according to every article I've read so far in this FaithLESS Study Bible, the scripture itself seems to be all wrong.

Shame on you, Logos!

Mark 9:42

There is a group where you can discuss your suggestions to make it better. https://faithlife.com/fsb-users/activity

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 6:40 PM

Lynden Williams:
There is a group where you can discuss your suggestions to make it better. https://faithlife.com/fsb-users/activity

That is one benefit to a digital Bible. It can be corrected more easily. I do recall Logos has already edited the Fathlife Study Bible.

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Ed | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 6:57 PM

Lynden Williams:

There is a group where you can discuss your suggestions to make it better. https://faithlife.com/fsb-users/activity

Good suggestion. I looked through it, and one of the users mentioned emailing the editor. So I did. Smile Thanks!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 7:16 PM

It seems to me that the Faithlife Study Bible does a good job of reflecting the perspective that it claims to reflect. If you disagree with that perspective, you will at times disagree with some of its statements. However, the forums are not the place to debate personal agreement or disagreement. Nor is it the place to rile up the fans of the product.

My personal opinion on the FSB? I think it does a good job of meeting its stated goals. I also think that it is unlike to ever get much use from me ... a statement I make for most study bibles.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 7:38 PM

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 7:56 PM

I would be interested in seeing an example of some of the objectionable material.  I don't use it, but I have seen these types of critiques before.  What bothered you most?

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Ed | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 7:57 PM

MJ. Smith:

... the forums are not the place to debate personal agreement or disagreement. ...

I'm not trying to be merely defensive or argumentative, but seriously? The forums are the perfect place. Indeed, they are the intended place. In fact, that is the very definition of "forum":

forum: n. 1 a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged

But enough said ... this thread was to address the lack of faith presented in the FSB, and now it is being hijacked to discuss forum etiquette. How incredibly ironic. Smile

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 8:00 PM

Ed:

MJ. Smith:

... the forums are not the place to debate personal agreement or disagreement. ...

I'm not trying to be merely defensive or argumentative, but seriously? The forums are the perfect place. Indeed, they are the intended place. In fact, that is the very definition of "forum":

forum: n. 1 a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged

But enough said ... this thread was to address the lack of faith presented in the FSB, and now it is being hijacked to discuss forum etiquette. How incredibly ironic. Smile

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Ed | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 8:09 PM

Joseph Turner:

I would be interested in seeing an example of some of the objectionable material.  I don't use it, but I have seen these types of critiques before.  What bothered you most?

For example, from the article The Extent of the Biblical Flood from the Sidebars->Context Studies:

"A straightforward reading of Gen 7:19–22 indicates the writer envisioned a flood on a massive scale—covering “all the high mountains which were under the entire heaven” (Gen 7:19)."

... then ...

The physical evidence for a global flood is limited and inconclusive.

In the article, the writer systematically tears down the Biblical account of the flood with his claim that "physical evidence is inconclusive," and he presents no bibliography or basis for the "evidence" upon which he stands. In fact, despite this author's claims, much evidence exists for the Biblical account of the flood. But instead of presenting an unbiased view of all facts, the author presents a biased view without facts. To me, that is not only an inexcusable abuse in a so-called "study Bible," and not only a failure of scholarship, it is a typical attack against faith with pseudo-scientific propaganda. Why would this tripe be included in a study Bible?!?

That is one example of the general tone of many of the articles in the Context Studies. The article on The Fall of Jericho is similar, as well as others that I reviewed. Hope that helps clarify my concerns.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 8:20 PM

Ed  ... your conclusions are correct. Don't know about 'faithless'. But it's pretty unbelieving-ish. Like MJ said ... on target for them. 

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Ed | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 8:23 PM

Lynden Williams:

Ed, its Logos house, they make the rules. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx from the thread: 

Understood. The discussion is specific to a Logos product: namely the FSB. And simply my concern with that product, that it presents anti-Biblical and anti-faith information under the guise of being a "study Bible." I am a pastor, and I sometimes have to clean up the mess when young believers have their faith stumbled or even destroyed by anti-Christian publications that sneak into churches as "Bibles." God help us.

Having said that, I respect people's right to disagree respectfully.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 9:08 PM

Ed:
Having said that, I respect people's right to disagree respectfully.

Hope you don't mind.

I  respectfully AGREE with you.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 9:56 PM

Hi Ed

Ed:
he presents no bibliography or basis for the "evidence" upon which he stands

Did you see the "See Also:" section at the end of the article?

I have just scanned one of them (the DOT P article) but these probably will provide more light on the perspective and arguments presented. And this is consistent with the way the FSB is designed to work.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 10:55 PM

your example proves your point. You should state it at the beginning. If the audience for FSB is not academic but general then those articles can easily destroy someone's faith

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Ed | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 11:45 PM

Graham Criddle:

Did you see the "See Also:" section at the end of the article?

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I have just scanned one of them (the DOT P article) but these probably will provide more light on the perspective and arguments presented. And this is consistent with the way the FSB is designed to work.

Graham 

Good point. I actually did see the "See Also" section, but alas, as a lowly Logos Gold owner ( Sad ), most of those resources are not in my library. But the article's perspective (and not just one article) is that when God's Word contradicts modern "science," God's Word is in error and science is supreme. The point I'm simply trying to make is that a study Bible should build the faith of a believer. And a Bible cannot deny the inerrancy and authority of God's Word, and edify believers in God's Word at the same time. (Psalms 11:3; Mark 3:25)

I think the information in the Context Studies has its place, but never inside a "Bible." They should be removed from the FSB and placed in a separate volume with a title like, "Why We Don't Believe The Bible Is God's Word." That way people who are trying to build their faith through Bible study won't let their guard down. Hmm

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 12:10 AM

I have never thought of chapter and verse markers, pericope titles, word definitions, cross-references, sidebars or any other appended materials as part of a Bible even when published in a study Bible. I think the electronic formats make any such confusion even less likely. There is a very

The FSB is no different than other Logos resources: it presents a particular point of view that is agreeable to some portion of the Logos market. That portion of the Logos market purchases and uses the product; the rest of the Logos market hides it, doesn't purchase it, or gives it so low priority it is seen only when specially requested.

What is it about the availability of this particular resource that bothers you? Why do you see it as more threatening to believers' faith than other resources? I fail to see the intent of the thread beyond complaining about a resource you disagree with. Can you image the length of a thread in which we all listed the products we disagree with? Actually, written with the right sense of humor that could be fun ... but off topic and inappropriate for the forums.

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Ed | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 12:35 AM

MJ. Smith:

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What is it about the availability of this particular resource that bothers you? Why do you see it as more threatening to believers' faith than other resources? I fail to see the intent of the thread beyond complaining about a resource you disagree with. ...

The intent of this thread was to raise awareness.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 12:58 AM

Ed:

The intent of this thread was to raise awareness.

Thank you - that makes sense. Unfortunately, it also indicates that all participants in the thread need to remind themselves of the forum guidelines and re-evaluate the appropriateness of their posts.

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