C. S. Lewis and Alister McGrath

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 31 2013 9:15 AM

See Alister McGrath's top 5 C. S. Lewis books - http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/july-august/my-top-5-books-by-c-s-lewis.html

Let's get these (and others) in Logos.

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 9:54 AM

Butters likes C.S. Lewis; his list would go something like this though:

First:  The Screwtape Letters - this is a truly profound book and in opinion his best book.  

I have seen many people's lives changed by this book, far more than his others.  It's a book I often give to people.  Incidentally, there are two wonderful ways to experience this:  

A.  The production by the Fellowship for the Performing Arts: http://screwtapeonstage.com/about.  They come through major cities about once a year

B.  This audio recording is also quite good:  http://www.amazon.com/The-Screwtape-Letters-Dramatization-Diabolical/dp/1589973240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375289253&sr=8-1&keywords=screwtape+letters+audio (the company that produces it (Radio Theatre) is worth looking into.)

In addition to Screwtape, more or less in order of preference: 

  1. Mere Christianity
  2. The Weight of Glory
  3. A Grief Observed (when someone experiences the death of a loved one, it's the first thing I send them.)
  4. Miracles
  5. The Four Loves
  6. The Great Divorce
  7. The Abolition of Man

One of the singularly amazing things about Lewis' apologetics is that he appeals to many faiths and nearly all denominations.  This is, of course, exceedingly rare. Smile 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 10:01 AM

Butters, I actually like your C. S. Lewis priority list better than Alister McGrath's although I have never read A Grief Observed. It sounds good if you give it to people so often.

Also, I totally agree with you that his apologists is exceedingly rare in that it appeals to many faiths. He doesn't have that abrasive feel that so many other apologists seem to have.

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 10:09 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Butters, I actually like your C. S. Lewis priority list better than Alister McGrath's although I have never read A Grief Observed. It sounds good if you give it to people so often.

Also, I totally agree with you that his apologists is exceedingly rare in that it appeals to many faiths. He doesn't have that abrasive feel that so many other apologists seem to have.

Thanks Bruce!  Yes, do look into A Grief Observed sometime - it's a very short volume, but there's a great deal packed into it.  

There was some combination of very rare qualities in Lewis that made and makes his broad appeal possible; or perhaps it's also that there's something in our culture that coarsened over time, and so less likely to shape a person into someone of Lewis' qualities.  

All I know is, when I see Baptists, very Traditional Catholics, Episcopalians, Evangelicals and whatnot reading and celebrating the same author, it's almost breathtaking.  

Even more so when you realize that there are many, many secular atheists who love reading him on a regular basis (this is true - I know many who do!)  

As he was always fond of saying, if atheists want to remain atheists they had better be careful of what they read!  Big Smile

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 10:30 AM

Butters:
All I know is, when I see Baptists, very Traditional Catholics, Episcopalians, Evangelicals and whatnot reading and celebrating the same author, it's almost breathtaking.  

Yes

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 9:18 AM

Congratulations, Canadians! According to Wikipedia, CS Lewis is Public Domain for you as of today.Smile Who will be the first to set up a web page for .docx files?

The question is, would it be legal for the rest of us to download them? On the one hand, it would seem as if it shouldn't be. On the other, I've never heard that it would be illegal for me to buy a cheap printed PD book in Canada and bring it home with me, so why would it be different with an electronic book? I'm not intending to sell it, after all. 

And what about Logos, could they set up a branch across the border, and sell Lewis from there?Smile It shouldn't take much more than a Canadian web page and some separate book keeping, should it? Everything else could still be done from Bellingham. If it's legal, I presume it would pay. 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 9:56 AM

fgh:
Congratulations, Canadians! According to Wikipedia, CS Lewis is Public Domain for you as of today.Smile

Awesome! (They left John F. Kennedy off the list. He died on the same day CS Lewis did, and he was a published author too: Profiles in Courage among other things).

I have Screwtape Letters as a Personal Book. Someone put it up online with a link on the forum and I grabbed it before they realized it wasn't public domain and took it down. Unfortunately my web hosting space is not domiciled in Canada so it would not be legal for me to put it up on the web. As far as I can tell there are no free cloud storage services with their servers located in Canada, and I'm not about to pay for another online data space solution.

But if anyone else already does have Canadian web space and wants to do this, I'd be happy to send you the file, and would be eager to see what else gets produced. Since the digital files are not available anywhere to the public (that I know of), it's going to take someone a lot of work scanning and OCR'ing to get these into digital format. But boy would it be worth it!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 11:51 AM

fgh:

Congratulations, Canadians! According to Wikipedia, CS Lewis is Public Domain for you as of today.Smile Who will be the first to set up a web page for .docx files?

The question is, would it be legal for the rest of us to download them? On the one hand, it would seem as if it shouldn't be. On the other, I've never heard that it would be illegal for me to buy a cheap printed PD book in Canada and bring it home with me, so why would it be different with an electronic book? I'm not intending to sell it, after all. 

And what about Logos, could they set up a branch across the border, and sell Lewis from there?Smile It shouldn't take much more than a Canadian web page and some separate book keeping, should it? Everything else could still be done from Bellingham. If it's legal, I presume it would pay. 

I nominate Rosie's Place as the Auxiliary office for Logos.  Big Smile

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 11:56 AM

I'm with you, Bruce.  Long over due!!!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 11:56 AM

George Somsel:
I nominate Rosie's Place as the Auxiliary office for Logos.  Big Smile

I would be happy to offer some space in my home for that, if it gives me free lifetime access to every book in Logos's catalogue. I believe Logos employees have free access to everything while they're at work, and since I will live on the premises of a Logos auxiliary office it seems like this should be a natural perk. Oh, and a coffee machine too (speaking of perks, heh heh)! http://blog.logos.com/2010/01/it_takes_a_lot_of_coffee_to_run_logos/

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David Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 12:01 PM

Rosie Perera:

George Somsel:
I nominate Rosie's Place as the Auxiliary office for Logos.  Big Smile

I would be happy to offer some space in my home for that, if it gives me free lifetime access to every book in Logos's catalogue. I believe Logos employees have free access to everything while they're at work, and since I will live on the premises of a Logos auxiliary office it seems like this should be a natural perk. Oh, and a coffee machine too (speaking of perks, heh heh)! http://blog.logos.com/2010/01/it_takes_a_lot_of_coffee_to_run_logos/

Agree with the perks for Rosie!

And if Rosie's place becomes an auxiliary office for Logos, perhaps some of you can plan an unofficial Logos User Convention there.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 12:02 PM

Rosie Perera:

I believe Logos employees have free access to everything while they're at work ...

Really?  I may have to consider a change.  Does that apply in retirement also?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 12:33 PM

Steve:

Rosie Perera:

I believe Logos employees have free access to everything while they're at work ...

Really?  I may have to consider a change.  Does that apply in retirement also?

Maybe it's not ALL Logos employees, but certainly all the Testers and Developers (they need to be able to reproduce our bugs, after all) and people in the Electronic Text department.

And I have no idea about retirement. You'd have to inquire about that in the job interview process. But they might suspect you have ulterior motives and not hire you...

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 12:59 PM

Rosie Perera:
They left John F. Kennedy off the list. He died on the same day CS Lewis did

I know, though I didn't know he'd published anything other than speeches, presidential documents, and the like.

Aldous Huxley died the same day as well.

Rosie Perera:
Unfortunately my web hosting space is not domiciled in Canada so it would not be legal for me to put it up on the web. As far as I can tell there are no free cloud storage services with their servers located in Canada

Sad I was hoping for you.

Presumably another 50-year country would do as well. Though I imagine most of them are too small, poor and hot to host any large servers. 

Rosie Perera:
the digital files are not available anywhere to the public (that I know of)

Oh, they're available, all right. Many of them anyway. Here are some: http://arthursclassicnovels.com/sci-fi/lewis/lewis-h.html. He had several more a couple of months ago, and in several formats, but I can't seem to locate them right now. And, of course, I have no idea how legal they are. Perhaps he's in a 20-year country...

Here are some others: http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/Mere%20Christianity%20-%20Lewis.pdfhttps://archive.org/details/TheAbolitionOfMan_229.

There are more if you search for them. Though be careful. A hit for a pdf of The Great Divorce got blocked as an "attack site".

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 1:47 PM

fgh:

Oh, they're available, all right. Many of them anyway. Here are some: http://arthursclassicnovels.com/sci-fi/lewis/lewis-h.html. He had several more a couple of months ago, and in several formats, but I can't seem to locate them right now. And, of course, I have no idea how legal they are. Perhaps he's in a 20-year country...

Here are some others: http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/Mere%20Christianity%20-%20Lewis.pdfhttps://archive.org/details/TheAbolitionOfMan_229.

There are more if you search for them.

Oh my! Now you've tempted me...

Downloading them all now, in case they disappear. That might be all I do, or I might be tempted to start formatting some of them for Logos. Stay tuned...  (but you might be waiting a long time, as I have a habit of diving into projects too quickly without thinking about how long they're going to take and how little time I have; I seem to not have absorbed the full implications of Luke 14:28-30 into my life).

EDIT: There are many more on Scribd: some downloadable as PDF's, some which can only be read online and not even copied/pasted. I'm sure all the downloadable ones are not up there legally.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 3:01 PM

Rosie Perera:
I have a habit of diving into projects too quickly without thinking about how long they're going to take

But there are neither footnotes not links, are there? Just a couple of chapter headings, and perhaps a spell check.Wink

Rosie Perera:
I seem to not have absorbed the full implications of Luke 14:28-30 into my life

Big Smile (That makes two of us!)

Rosie Perera:
There are many more on Scribd

The ones I checked were preview only and required a subscription to read in full.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 3:33 PM

fgh:
But there are neither footnotes not links, are there? Just a couple of chapter headings, and perhaps a spell check.Wink

Well, the one that I did begin to dive into (The Grand Miracle and Other Selected Essays...) has both footnotes (embedded in the flow of the text) and lots of typos (words run together, incorrect spacing around punctuation, and mysterious disconnected sentenced to follow up in the print edition). So it would be a lot of work:

fgh:

Rosie Perera:
There are many more on Scribd

The ones I checked were preview only and required a subscription to read in full.

Ah, but I have a subscription. Anyone who is addicted to digital books must subscribe to Scribd!

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 3:46 PM

Rosie Perera:

And I have no idea about retirement. You'd have to inquire about that in the job interview process. But they might suspect you have ulterior motives and not hire you...

.... darn ...  Tongue Tied

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 3:55 PM

Rosie Perera:
Well, the one that I did begin to dive into (The Grand Miracle and Other Selected Essays...) has both footnotes (embedded in the flow of the text) and lots of typos (words run together, incorrect spacing around punctuation, and mysterious disconnected sentenced to follow up in the print edition). So it would be a lot of work:

You had to start with a bunch of essays, did you?Smile I don't think that's what the rest of us think of first when CS Lewis is mentioned.Wink

Rosie Perera:
Anyone who is addicted to digital books must subscribe to Scribd!

To the best of my knowledge, I haven't even been to that site before.

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JAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 26 2015 5:14 AM

https://www.logos.com/product/49027/the-cs-lewis-collection

For anyone on the fence about, or unaware of, the above pre-publication "The C. S. Lewis Collection", also for those who appreciate Lewis, I am posting a link to a McGrath lecture "C.S. Lewis and the Post Modern Generation: His Message 50 Years Later".

http://youtu.be/m4_BxedpScc

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