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Brian Yamabe | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2010 2:51 PM

I'm interested in several titles from Concordia Publishing House (Concordia: The Lutheran Confessions and the upcoming Lutheran Study Bible). There seem to be other CPH  titles available on the iPhone app and was wondering why these aren't. Just saw a tweet from Paul McCain of CPH saying that they have not been contacted about getting permission for these resources.

Thanks! 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2010 3:11 PM

Brian Yamabe:
Just saw a tweet from Paul McCain of CPH saying that they have not been contacted about getting permission for these resources.
Did you ask Paul McCain why he took the time to tweet this info and has not taken the time to contact Logos directly to give them permission?  Seems like that would be a better use of his time.

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Brian Yamabe | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2010 3:29 PM

Joe Miller:
Did you ask Paul McCain why he took the time to tweet this info and has not taken the time to contact Logos directly to give them permission?  Seems like that would be a better use of his time.

I don't want to get into a chicken and egg argument about who should be contacting who. For all I know Logos has a queue of publishers and CPH is down on that list because they (Logos) have a finite number of resources and wants to do things systematically. I asked here because it is Logos' iPhone app and they add value to their product by contacting the publishers.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2010 3:50 PM

Brian Yamabe:
. For all I know Logos has a queue of publishers and CPH is down on that list because they (Logos) have a finite number of resources and wants to do things systematically.
that would be my guess, which is why I suggested you tweet back at Mr. McCain.  If he has the time to tweet, maybe he could contact Logos directly, and expedite the approval process.   I don't use this resource, so it does not matter to me, but for those who care it seems like that would move things along much faster.

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Tom Bartzsch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 2 2010 5:14 PM

Brian Yamabe:

I'm interested in several titles from Concordia Publishing House (Concordia: The Lutheran Confessions and the upcoming Lutheran Study Bible).

Thanks! 

Since the Concordia Commentary has been the newest CPH resource in Logos, and it is on the iPhone, I'm guessing that the contract language used for that included phrasing reflecting the (at-the-time) upcoming iPhone app. With TLSB due out in April, I would guess that as a new resource, it too will come right to the iPhone, since it will probably reflect a newer contract.

That said, I still hope that Logos and CPH can get together on the older stuff soon!

Tom

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Michael Sullivan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:25 AM

Is it only contract negiotiation that is keeping resources of the iPhone?  If so, why aren't the infographics (an inhouse product, from what I gather) not accessible yet?

Also - regarding the contract negotiations - they are not as simple as just asking publishers for the rights to post the product on the iPhone.  Publishers are also being asked to completely rework the contracts in other aspects to - specifically (from what I understand) regarding the fee that is paid to convert a product to a Logos format (which will be substatially lower - maybe even free), royalties and distribution.  The distribution aspect of it is the one that concerns me a bit because, from what I understand, this means that resources for the Logos format will only be able to be purcharsed through Logos, regardless of the publisher.  Publishers still will have say in pricing,  (This what I understand, anyway.) 

It is not as simple as having Paul  McCain call Bob Pritchett and say, "Go ahead with the iphone."  Logos is contacting all the publishers - CPH included - to discuss the new model they want to proceed with.  The publishers wil have to consider the impact this new model will have on them before they make a decision.  The iPhone lisencing is just a small part of a much larger new business model that Logos has and is presenting to the publishers.

By the way, I some (but not all) of what I wrote contains speculation on my part - and I could be wrong on the conclusions and am happy to be corrected.

 

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Ralph A. Abernethy III | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 1:23 PM

The Lutheran Study Bible is scheduled to be released for Logos in April?  I didn't know that.  Great news!

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 1:57 PM

sullivanmp@hotmail.com:
It is not as simple as having Paul  McCain call Bob Pritchett and say, "Go ahead with the iphone." 
Once lawyers are involved, nothing is that simple.

 

 

Anonymous | | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 2:50 PM

Once permission is granted, there's also the issue of converting the format and testing, I believe.  That takes time too.

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Michael Sullivan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 2:50 PM

From my source (an editor at a certain small publisher - NOT CPH) I don't get the impression lawyers are involved.  Rather it is just a new business model that Logos is persuing, and this new business model has to be considered carefully by publishers so that it can be mutually beneficial.  The iphone app is really only a part (and probably a rather small one)  to the bigger picture of renegotiations.

My only "potential" gripe is that if Logos gets sole distribution rights, I "potentially" lose  the 20% discount I had enjoyed for so long purchasing products for Logos directly from two certain publishers.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 3:08 PM

sullivanmp@hotmail.com:
My only "potential" gripe is that if Logos gets sole distribution rights, I "potentially" lose  the 20% discount I had enjoyed for so long purchasing products for Logos directly from two certain publishers.
Nothing comes to us cheap.  Look at Zondervan's Pradis.. they wanted to do it all on their own and look where it got their customers.  

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Aaron Cantrell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:20 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels and the Dictionary of Paul and his Letters is now on the Iphone?

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:15 PM

Ralph A. Abernethy III:
The Lutheran Study Bible is scheduled to be released for Logos in April?  I didn't know that.  Great news!

 

Ralph and everyone-

One point to keep in mind, is that Concordia has published "the Lutheran Study Bible".  Augsburg published the "Lutheran Study Bible".  I recall hearing that the only difference in name, is the word "the" in front of Concordia's.  So it would be important to know the difference.

In terms of reading, the ELCA version has more gender neutral terms for the word, God. 

So for me, it is important to have Concordia's version.

 

I actually sent a note to Paul McCain, the publisher of Concordia Publishing House, hoping to get the ball rolling with them for my Logos products.  His response to me, was:

"Logos has not been in contact with us.  They have some of our books available but not others and we do not know why and we have not been able to get a clear answer from them."

Rev Paul T. McCain

 

I sent the note to Logos customer service.

 

 

 

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Mark Knutsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 3 2010 7:06 PM

That's a good sign. Any other titles from the Essential IVP Reference Collection yet? I'm going to wait to upgrade until there are.

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Ralph A. Abernethy III | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 6:59 AM

Hi, Dan.  Good reminder that there are two very different study Bibles with very similar names.  I do have a copy of Augsburg's "Lutheran Study Bible" just so I can keep up with the materials the ELCA's publishing house is producing, and the slant taken in those materials.  But like you, what I was referring to was Concordia's "The Lutheran Study Bible."  My congregation and I have found Concordia's edition an extremely helpful resource.  What I'm hoping for is Concordia's study Bible to be released in Logos format some time in the not-too-distant future.  So is it scheduled for April, or isn't it?  Concordia has released a lot of its products in Kindle format.  It would be great if more could be made available on Logos.

Just wondering, Dan -- You are a pastor, aren't you?  If so, are you WELS?  ELS?  Seems like I've seen you post on various Lutheran internet forums.

Blessings in Christ, brother.

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 4:02 PM

Ralph A. Abernethy III:
Just wondering, Dan -- You are a pastor, aren't you?  If so, are you WELS?  ELS?  Seems like I've seen you post on various Lutheran internet forums.

 

Hi, Ralph-

What I had heard from Concordia quite a while ago, was "by June".  Who knows, how long that REALLY is...

I am actually NOT a pastor.  I am just layman, but I am quite heavy into study of the Word.

I am a member of LCMS.  There are a few websites I have located, for Lutherans to post.  Amazingly enough, the Internet really permits that kind of community to assemble.

There are quite a few Lutherans I see, posting to these boards, so it is nice to see all of you out there, looking for the same resources I am.

 

Blessings to you, too.

 

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Ralph A. Abernethy III | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 6:04 PM

Hi, Dan.

If I may be so bold, there's no such thing as "just" a laymen.  After all, Philip Melanchthon was a layman, and he wrote the Augsburg Confession, the Apology, and the Treatise.  Wow!  We need more laymen like that -- zealous students of God's Word and theology, heavy into study of the Word, to use your phrase.  I wish there were more of your breed in my congregation.

It is good to make your acquaintance, and to read your contributions to this and other forums.

Thank you!

 

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Steve Garcia | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 15 2010 11:27 AM

This is really cool. An amazing array of books.

But I must admit, I use my Laridian app much more. Logos just feels slower and more cumbersome. I'm sure I'm missing something, so...

1) Can you point me to the link where I can learn how to make books accessible off-line?

2) Is there a basic set-up operation for getting fully up and running with Logos on my iPhone?

3) other tips?

thanks!

 

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 15 2010 1:27 PM

SteveGarcia:

1) Can you point me to the link where I can learn how to make books accessible off-line?

2) Is there a basic set-up operation for getting fully up and running with Logos on my iPhone?

Welcome to the forums, Steve! To get you started:

1) http://www.logos.com/iphone/support There is a link to a youtube video that the bottom that demonstrates how to make books available for off-line reading.

2) The only set-up you need is to sign in with your logos.com account!

 

 

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Barry Wingfield, PhD | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 15 2010 3:19 PM

I'm needing "Introducing the New Testament' by Drane to be on the iphone available list. Any idea when?

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