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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 10:37 AM

I think you guys are stuck in a middle ages cathedral (just joking). The world is changing quickly. In kids Bible study, a cornocopea (sp?) of interactive media. Then put away the excitement ... it's time for (continued) worship with the older ones.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/15/technology/innovation/microsoft-touchscreen/index.html 

I still think the Logos view is the future. And 'church' is going to soon be really exciting, with a return to the need for Pauline cautions.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 10:51 AM

Paul Golder:

"By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another the same translation"

AMEN, brother !  Preach it !!  Wink  Seriously, that's not what was said.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 10:55 AM

George Somsel:

Paul Golder:

"By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another the same translation"

AMEN, brother !  Preach it !!  Wink  Seriously, that's not what was said.

I know, but it popped into my head and I just had to. Angel

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 11:03 AM

Denise:
In kids Bible study, a cornocopea (sp?) of interactive media. Then put away the excitement ... it's time for (continued) worship with the older ones.

cornucopia

There is no problem if you "Train up" a child to experience the worship service instead of trying to compete with Disney and the entertainment industry. "Train up" in Proverbs 22:6 means "touch the palate." If you give your kids a taste for the "adult" worship service they will enjoy it. Yes, this is a promotion of the family church, not age-segregated, dumbed-down kiddie church. 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 11:15 AM

Paul Golder:

"By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another the same translation"

In the 1970's I was exposed to, but did not embrace, The Children of God  If they had all read the Bible instead of reading Mo's letters they would not have developed a false definition of "love" nor "flirty-fishing." It is quite dangerous to go with a lovey-dovey theology. The text does matter.

(I really do know what you are saying Paul. And I agree we are not to divide the Body.)

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 11:35 AM

Paul Golder:

"By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another the same translation"

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 11:39 AM

So, ST, did you make it to Thurber? 

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 11:45 AM

Super Tramp:

We had a woman teaching against the observance of Christmas she learned from JWs.

Super Tramp:

"flirty-fishing."

Are these problems related to, or exacerbated by, congregants reading from different mainstream translations during service? Seriously? Nothing positive at all with different translations during a service, but all foul, ghoulish evil?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 12:00 PM

Lee:
Are these problems related to, or exacerbated by, congregants reading from different mainstream translations during service? Seriously? Nothing positive at all with different translations during a service, but all foul, ghoulish evil?

 

One faith, one hope, one Lord, one translation.  Big Smile

 

http://vimeo.com/60490913

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 12:39 PM

Denise:

So, ST, did you make it to Thurber? 

??   I did enjoy my education in a different commune.  We called the group "The Bromans" or just simply "Marumori." It was truly an example of the first century church. I loved every moment with these people and credit/blame? them for my 19 babies.

And we did it all without electronic devices. Although they did become quite proficient with computers.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 12:56 PM

The article asks:

"....can we properly hear James’ “weep and wail you rich people” on a device that weighs in at $529 for Wi-Fi + 3G?"

I chuckled.  Good luck finding a useful device that runs Logos 5.0 and your whole library for that price. 

That truly would be manna from digital heaven.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 2:41 PM

Nord Zootman:

I have an older couple who are distracting with their paper Bibles in church. I can tell when I say something they differ with in a sermon because they both start whispering to each other, checking out their notes, cross references, and the concordance at the back of their Bible! Many would find that more distracting than a person on their Ipad. As a pastor you just learn to not focus on their behavior. 

I understand. I have been distracted during services when I was preaching and a cellphone that was silenced would suddenly light up in the congregation.

That being said, I'm thinking about preaching from a tablet. (if you can't beat them...)

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 3:47 PM

I remember speaking to a largish audience, half of whom were asleep because of the overwhelmingly hot weather.

If someone's cell-phone had sounded with an insane ringtone, that would have made an interesting interruption... Big Smile

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Chi-Ming Chien | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 3:48 PM

Lee:

Are intelligent saints on this forum going to stand for these positions:

(1) using electronic devices during service is ALWAYS bad,

(2) allowing congregants to read from their preferred translations is ALWAYS bad?

 I hope not.

I wouldn't subscribe to either of those positions, particularly given the all-caps ALWAYS.Smile

I'm not of the opinion that multiple translations breed division, although I could see how it would be problematic if congregants assess the preacher based on their particular translation rather than receiving the preached word as something more than one person's "opinion". I'm not a preacher but I'm confident the constraints of time don't always allow for delving into every nook and cranny.

As for electronic devices, it depends on what they nurture both in the individual and in the community. If they nurture Christian character, communal worship, attentiveness and presence to God and one another, then wonderful. If not, then not so wonderful. Either way we should consider how they are used as opposed to buying into them wholesale simply because they are the product of technological progress to date.

Are these forums always so lively? Smile

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 3:56 PM

Chi-Ming Chien:
Are these forums always so lively? Smile

Every now and then we get a very interesting topic. This particular thread touches just about all of us. And it touches a sensitive spot, worship.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 3:57 PM

Chi-Ming Chien:
Are these forums always so lively? Smile

No, sometimes they're more lively.  Wink

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 4:04 PM

Yes, I've noticed that I've more recently become rather interested in worship. Goodnight!:

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touches a sensitive spot, worship.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 4:39 PM

Chi-Ming Chien:

As for electronic devices, it depends on what they nurture both in the individual and in the community. If they nurture Christian character, communal worship, attentiveness and presence to God and one another, then wonderful. If not, then not so wonderful. Either way we should consider how they are used as opposed to buying into them wholesale simply because they are the product of technological progress to date.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 4:40 PM

Super Tramp:

Every now and then we get a very interesting topic. This particular thread touches just about all of us. And it touches a sensitive spot, worship.

I am PLEASED that we are 4 pages deep into a sensitive subject and all posts have remained positive without name calling.

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2013 6:45 PM

Chi-Ming Chien:

Are these forums always so lively? Smile

This is a place where we mix theology and technology...I think that might be about the only thing more volatile than politics.

Though, of course, we obey the forum rules and never debate theology.

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