semi-adv. 1Pt&Jude commentary with history of interpretation?

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Unix | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2013 12:36 PM

What commentary, either as printed matter or in Logos, would be semi-advanced and have some history of interpretation? Preferably with historical information too! On these two Epistles: 1 Pt and Jude. Preferably all-in-one to reduce costs.

I was mainly looking at ecumenical or Roman-Catholic ones, but other denominations might do. NIB, Sacra Pagina? Here's a little bit of information about the NIB volume: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R3T7OT6192P1V9/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0687278252&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=
I'm not going to buy an entire (NT) set. Two copies would be required as this would be both for myself and a friend, so it would still get a bit expensive.

I think I have like 3-4 various commentaries already but I really doubt the friend has, of which I think only one would qualify: Hermeneia on 1 Pt.

I would like semi-advanced in order to not overwhelm the friend, because I think the friend has an upper limit for how much he/she is going to read, and because I have so much to read myself.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 11:21 AM

bump!

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 11:48 AM

Unix ... no one probably knows of a 1st Peter / Jude commentary volume. I suppose it would be an interesting combo!

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Adam Rao | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 12:25 PM

I would imagine that Lewis Donelson's NTL commentary on 1-2 Peter and Jude would fit the bill. 2 Peter and Jude are often paired together, but I've never seen a commentary that pairs just 1 Peter and Jude. Your best bet is going to be a semi-technical commentary that covers 1-2 Peter and Jude like Donelson's.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 2:02 PM

What about the "Reading the New Testament" series? Richard's volume on 1 Peter, Jude, and Second Peter might not be as advanced as you'd like, but it could be a good starting point.

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Kevin Olson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 4:56 PM

This is a really good commentary. 

  

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 6:59 PM

The best ones I have are:

  • Green, Gene L. Jude and 2 Peter. BECNT. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2008.
  • Davids, Peter H. The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude. PNTC. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2006.
  • Bauckham, Richard J. 2 Peter, Jude. Vol. 50. WBC. Dallas: Word, Incorporated, 1998.

But they're all part of a set.

Not sure they specifically focus on history of interpretation, though they do deal with questions about their inclusion in the canon in the early days.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 7:39 PM

Hi Allen

All the titles you mention are available individually in Logos as well as within larger bundles

Graham

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 8:23 PM

I looked at that one. It seems somewhat good. There's a few interesting citations/references about as many as I would have expected. It's also a bit peculiar that it seems like that the author uses BAG as lexicon, and doesn't reference the TNIV which I've heard is supposed to be a better English version of Jude than NIV84 - granted it was released VERY briefly before this PNTC volume came out. But perhaps it would be easy enough for me and my friend to see for which words or verses the TNIV is better than the NIV84? It costs about ¢30 a page when used just for Jude. Can You tell me a little bit more about it?

Allen Browne:

  • Davids, Peter H. The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude. PNTC. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2006.

 

I'm hesitant when it comes to BECNT as I don't like that publishing house particularly much. I suppose it does reference the TNIV?

 


Nick, what kind of things does it contain?:

Nick Steffen:
What about the "Reading the New Testament" series? Richard's volume on 1 Peter, Jude, and Second Peter might not be as advanced as you'd like, but it could be a good starting point.

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 25 2013 3:04 AM

Unix:
it seems like that the author uses BAG as lexicon, and doesn't reference the TNIV which I've heard is supposed to be a better English version of Jude than NIV84 - granted it was released VERY briefly before this PNTC volume came out. But perhaps it would be easy enough for me and my friend to see for which words or verses the TNIV is better than the NIV84?

Any lexicon has its biases, but BDAG is credible, I would have thought.

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about which version of the NIV the author used. Presumably they are working primarily from the Greek text for a serious commentary. The NIV updates have corrected some of the weaknesses of the original, but that's really not a major factor in passages like Jude or 2 Peter.

Again, it will depend on your own personal tastes and biases, but I quite like some of the BEC commentaries. YMMV.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 25 2013 3:21 AM

What I meant was that he seems to be using the first Edition. There have been two Editions since, one of them released well before he started to author this PNTC volume:

Allen Browne:
Any lexicon has its biases, but BDAG is credible, I would have thought:
Unix:
it seems like that the author uses BAG as lexicon,

 


In what way is it better or what is its special strength? Is it "harder to read" than PNTC? Which one has non-transliterated Gk, PNTC or BEC?:

Allen Browne:
Again, it will depend on your own personal tastes and biases, but I quite like some of the BEC commentaries.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 25 2013 4:31 AM

Anyone knows how the Believer's Church Bible Commentary would compare? It might be an interesting option as I'm an Anabaptist. (I have a couple of volumes from that set - I tried to choose good ones on books of the Bible on which I really needed commentaries.) Notice that it's much cheaper than PNTC and BECNT!

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 5:48 AM

Decent option, but perhaps a bit limited? It's on a sale right now for $8 and I have an open order (not yet shipped) on CBD so I could add but I won't:

Adam Rao:
I would imagine that Lewis Donelson's NTL commentary on 1-2 Peter and Jude would fit the bill.


Instead, I'm looking at Interpretation: 1-2 Pt, James, Jude by Pheme Perkins, 1995. It seems to be on about the level I want and has some references to the Deuterocanonicals (such as Wisd., 2 Mc, Hebrews 10:22 (unwanted) and Apocalypse 2:10, 3:11 (unwanted)), 4 Ezra (and DSS) and philosophers in the commentary on 1 Pt. Lewis Donelson has been a dean in the Church of England earlier on, so perhaps he also references those Biblical books?

There is a more simple, devotional commentary (also sold cheap by CBD), from 2013 for those that want something that probably has few extra-Biblical references but more application: www.amazon.com/Peter-Jude-Christian-Living-Suffering/dp/1781911290/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381838453&sr=1-2
... by a Presbyterian. A little bit about the set: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/42164/313902.aspx#313902
The problem with that one is that it doesn't sell very well (~1½ millionth place on Amazon.com). But I might add it to the order if the shipping doesn't go up. Cheaper shipping in Europe when purchased individually: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1781911290/ref=sr_1_2_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381842285&sr=1-2&keywords=peter+jude+focus+bible&condition=new

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