Wow! What do we really know?
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I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
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David Taylor Jr: I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
Speculation?
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Jack Caviness: David Taylor Jr: I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times. Speculation?
It must include lots but I'm intrigued to see.
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Bruce Dunning: Jack Caviness: David Taylor Jr: I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times. Speculation? It must include lots but I'm intrigued to see.
Yes, But not any time soon with bids as low as they are now.
David Ames: Bruce Dunning: Jack Caviness: David Taylor Jr: I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times. Speculation? It must include lots but I'm intrigued to see. Yes, But not any time soon with bids as low as they are now.
Perhaps some extra promotion will be needed to convince people of the value.
You could say mentioned in the New Testament only a handful of times.
There is apocryphal literature specifically about Joseph (e.g. History of Joseph the Carpenter), and he plays a large role in other apocryphal literature (e.g. Protevangelium of James, Infancy Gospel of Thomas).
[self promotion alert!] Editions of these last two in Greek and English are available here: http://www.logos.com/product/17854/greek-apocryphal-gospels-fragments-and-agrapha [end self-promotion alert!]
Not saying it is authoritative in any way, but there is abundant material out there to examine for works like the ones in this collection.
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Rick Brannan (Logos): David Taylor Jr: I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times. You could say mentioned in the New Testament only a handful of times. There is apocryphal literature specifically about Joseph (e.g. History of Joseph the Carpenter), and he plays a large role in other apocryphal literature (e.g. Protevangelium of James, Infancy Gospel of Thomas). [self promotion alert!] Editions of these last two in Greek and English are available here: http://www.logos.com/product/17854/greek-apocryphal-gospels-fragments-and-agrapha [end self-promotion alert!] Not saying it is authoritative in any way, but there is abundant material out there to examine for works like the ones in this collection.
Ok, now I am intrigued. I'll be honest I know very little about the Apocrypha since I don't subscribe to it as Canoninical.
David Taylor Jr: I'll be honest I know very little about the Apocrypha since I don't subscribe to it as Canonical.
Hi David.
So, there is what Protestants term the "Apocrypha", most of which Catholic tradition would term "Deuterocanonical." This is the stuff that some call "inter-testamental" and that, in some Bibles, you'll find stuffed between the OT and the NT. Some also call it "Old Testament Apocrypha." Some also refer to it as literature of the "Second Temple" period, or "Second Temple Literature."
The stuff I'm referring to in my above post is post-NT, and is usually termed "New Testament Apocrypha". Nobody considers this material canonical. It is, however, fascinating for examining the developing traditions of the early church. Christians of that era were confused about some things (e.g. who was Joseph and where did he come from, the virgin birth of Jesus, what was Jesus like as a boy, what happened after the crucifixion but before the resurrection, etc.), much like we are. Some NT Apocryphal material is focused on trying to explain these things. No canonical basis for the stories, but interesting to see how they tried to answer, in some way, these real questions that we still run into today.
I see more humanity in the early church as a result of reading this stuff. I just get the sense that these were real people struggling to understand difficult issues, and that gives me some comfort as I struggle with trying to understand stuff too.
I'm intrigued too - and in!
Rick Brannan (Logos):I see more humanity in the early church as a result of reading this stuff. I just get the sense that these were real people struggling to understand difficult issues, and that gives me some comfort as I struggle with trying to understand stuff too.
Good sales pitch. My bid is in.
Rick Brannan (Logos):So, there is what Protestants term the "Apocrypha", most of which Catholic tradition would term "Deuterocanonical.
And which the Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches, and Assyrian Church would call scriptural
Just wanting to let people know that there are large portions of the Church beyond the Romans who also do not dispute these texts. Sometimes we in the west completely forget there is anything Christian between the West Coast of the US and Rome.
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Although, technically you were correct Rick as the term "Catholic tradition" would include reference to the traditions of these Christians too.
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Thanks for the clarification, James. I didn't know exactly which term Orthodox use, so I went very general.
Ok, I'm in.
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Lynden, have you been over to St Augustine?
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According to legend, Joseph also built a miraculous staircase in Loretto Chapel in New Mexico. If you're ever in that area, it's well worth the visit.
http://www.lorettochapel.com/staircase.html
elnwood: According to legend, Joseph also built a miraculous staircase in Loretto Chapel in New Mexico. If you're ever in that area, it's well worth the visit. http://www.lorettochapel.com/staircase.html
I've never heard of this staircase but it looks amazing. I would like to see it some day.
James W Bennett:would call scriptural
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Jack Caviness: Lynden, have you been over to St Augustine? I visited the Fountain of Youth there when I was about 7, and it made me younger than Milford Murray
Aha! You really ARE older than I! I knew it! *smile*
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Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
Milford Charles Murray: Jack Caviness: Lynden, have you been over to St Augustine? I visited the Fountain of Youth there when I was about 7, and it made me younger than Milford Murray Aha! You really ARE older than I! I knew it! *smile* Psalm 29:11
Not after that dip in Juan Ponce de Leon's pool in '43 Correction to my previous post—I was only 6.