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Ray from Faithlife | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 5 2013 4:21 PM

We want to create the best products we possibly can, and we'd like to know: what features, resources or programs do you love about L3 that are causing you to balk at upgrading to Logos 5?


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This thread has some good responses (if you haven't seen it already): "Denise and others, why do you stick with Libronix (L3) and not upgrade to L5?"

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Ray from Faithlife | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2013 4:59 PM

Thank you, Bradley. I'd overlooked it.


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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2013 6:44 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):

This thread has some good responses (if you haven't seen it already): "Denise and others, why do you stick with Libronix (L3) and not upgrade to L5?"

I wanted to know the answer to this question as well and that is why I started this thread. There is a lot of good information in it. It would be great if future versions of Logos would make it more appealing for L3 users to upgrade. I'd also like to hear what you guys think of the reasons given by current L3 users.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 6 2013 1:12 AM

There is also this older thread with some insights (Bob was active in it).

Since I started my Logos-life with L4, run L5 now and never really got used to L3, I may not be the right person to answer this thread - however, I do have L3 installed and read around, so maybe I can contribute some aspects:

  • import of L3 (or even earlier) licences - my point
    This is the real reason I have Libronix installed. There are still tons of CD-ROMs out there with resources on them. I loaded e.g. ACCS, SESB, the IVP Essential Reference Collection, multiple Nelson eBible CDs, the R.C. Sproul Digital Library, The Collegeville Basic Set and The complete works of Oswald Chambers via Libronix. If current Logos had a feature "Import resources from previous versions" I might de-install Libronix in a heartbeat
  • Localization - a very relevant point for international users
    Libronix supported over a dozen (maybe two) UI languages. I know this is a real issue for many SESB users from Germany. L5 in its very latest version now starts with this
  • The SESB functionalities for WIVU search - seemingly a very relevant point for some Hebrew scholars
    I can't really comment on that since Hebrew is far beyond me, but if I recall correct, this has been promised for L4 in its most early days but not brought over yet.
  • Local mode of operation
    I know that Libronix had online features and that L4/5 can be run offline - that said, it is very visible (home page, community notes/ratings/tags etc.) that the current software is somewhat cloud-driven. I feel that a big "Run Offline" switch on the homepage that really turns off everything that interacts with the web (and e.g populates the Home Page with only local content) would show sensitive users that they have everything on their machine and (seemingly) under control.  


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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 6 2013 2:58 PM

That we had control of when Licences were checked with Logos.  Some are paranoid in that they trust no one. We have no problems with the current ownership of Logos.  But all it would take is a one minute [or less] update to wipe our licence file and just a little longer to wipe all of our resource files. With L3 we had a local backup of our licence file and could also backup all the resource files.  AND, as one stated, we can re-install L3 with out contacting Logos. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 6 2013 3:14 PM

When FB's setting standards for 'Christian businesses' (which everyone agrees is synonymous with 'businesses') then yes, paranoid-ity makes sense.

$20 for your Faith-something picture? I can't imagine Libronix execs ever doing some such.   

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 6 2013 4:04 PM

L3 is the most important thing that ever happened in my life. That's not hyperbole. Nevertheless, after begging and pleading with Logos to give me a reason to comfortably say good-bye to L3 in favor of a program with a future, I have to say I'm rather worn down and numb. I presented on a number of occasions a list of about 6-8 things that I literally require in order to lay L3 to rest, only to have Bob line up my hopes and wishes one-by-one and effectively double-tap them in the back of the head for reasons I consider to be rather random. I don't have the strength to resurrect those hopes; I've resigned myself to the status quo.

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