NICOT/NICNT Sale on that A software

Not promoting another company's deals but the A company is offering the NIC set for 7 days for $779.99 (40% off)!!! That is an amazing deal. Maybe they are losing their shirts on this one to get more users. Don't know.

Wondering if Logos can negotiate a deal with the publisher to offer this very important set for something close? Might get some new Logos users by linking a package deal with this set.

Anyway, for those with the A software who don't have NIC, I doubt you could ever get a better deal.

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John Kight

OliveTree has the same deal.

Erik

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528972#Comment_528972

My guess is that Logos simply does not need to offer such a "Loss Leader".

JOSHUA DAVIS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528972#Comment_528972

OliveTree has the same deal.

I tried to get Logos to either match the deal or get close to it a few months ago when they also had the NICOT/NICNT on sale, but they wouldn't budge on their price so I bought it from a competitor instead. The tagging is not near as good Logos' software, but that is only a minor inconvenience when there was almost $600 difference in price.

Erik

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528982#Comment_528982

I tried to get Logos to either match the deal or get close to it a few months ago when they also had the NICOT/NICNT on sale, but they wouldn't budge on their price so I bought it from a competitor instead. The tagging is not near as good Logos' software, but that is only a minor inconvenience when there was almost $600 difference in price.

I have not used Accordance or Olive Tree, so I am relying on your description of the quality of the resources in those two eco-systems.

Given the level of effort that Logos puts into tagging its resources, I find it completely justified that they charge more than competitors for the NICOT/NICNT. These commentaries are not typically "sit down and read" books that can get by with minimal tagging. If you are satisfied with the product that is great that you were able to get it for such a deal. I think I'd be more frustrated that I spent the funds on something that simply did not work as well. I do have certain commentaries in other programs that I haven't purchased in Logos because I so infrequently use them (i.e. Collegeville commentaries, Life Application Commentaries, NIVAC), but the NICOT/NICNT are first-line and I would be very sad if I didn't have them in Logos, regardless of cost.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528996#Comment_528996

I think I'd be more frustrated that I spent the funds on something that simply did not work as well.

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Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528996#Comment_528996

These commentaries are not typically "sit down and read" books that can get by with minimal tagging.

Really? I would say that commentaries require far less tagging than most resources. I just open a commentary to the passage I am studying, and that comes late in the study process for me, after the inductive process.

Tagging is of much more value in language tools, lexicons, theology, and historical resources, such as the Church Fathers. For the life of me, I don't see it so important for a commentary. But that is just me.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529280#Comment_529280

These commentaries are not typically "sit down and read" books that can get by with minimal tagging.

Really? I would say that commentaries require far less tagging than most resources. I just open a commentary to the passage I am studying, and that comes late in the study process for me, after the inductive process.

Commentaries are often full of cross references that need linking and non-standard verse references that need manual markup. Plus they need Bible indexing to be able to work with passage guide. Good commentaries probably need as much tagging as a dictionary.

Adam Rao

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529285#Comment_529285

If you think Logos' tagging is good, you haven't tried Accordance. They're way better in this area. Logos' advantage is the sheer amount of resources they provide that Accordance doesn't. That's the only reason I switched.

Donnie Hale

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529318#Comment_529318

If you think Logos' tagging is good, you haven't tried Accordance. They're way better in this area.

Some specifics would be helpful. What Accordance features are enabled by its better tagging that Logos does not have?

Donnie

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529318#Comment_529318

If you think Logos' tagging is good, you haven't tried Accordance.

But I have tried Accordance, since its very beginning, and I have faithfully purchased every upgrade since then. Just tried it again to see what you see that I missed. Tagging is limited and not very useful. For instance, in Logos if I hover over a Scripture reference, I get a popup displaying the verse(s). In Accordance, if I hover over a reference, I get a magnifying glass that I must click to open a window to see the reference. In Logos hovering over a reference to a commentary gives me a popup showing a portion of the commentary. If I click the link, the commentary opens to the referenced spot. In Accordance, I get the trusty glass which if clicked takes me to a list of references.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529739#Comment_529739

In Accordance you have to have the instant detail pane open to have hover over a defence automatically view.

-Dan

Sleiman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529739#Comment_529739

Here are my questions:

What gets tagged in Accordance that doesn't get tagged in Logos?
Generally speaking there are resources in Logos that are better tagged than others; some are really good, others are really bad (meaning some references are not tagged; or the resource contains many errors; see this thread as an example)! Is Accordance's tagging better in this sense? In other words, would the Quality Assurance process seem to be better in producing Accordance resources vs Logos?
As Donnie said, are there any features in Accordance that the tagging provides that are not in Logos?

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529754#Comment_529754

In Accordance you have to have the instant detail pane open to have hover over a defence automatically view.

Thanks for the reminder, Dan. Had forgotten that annoying little window [:D]. Still, is it good for anything besides Scripture references? Just tried hover over a reference to 1 Macc 2:64 in BDAG and received nothing (Yes, I do have a tagged LXX). All links to other works only give me a definition of the resource.

Having already said too much, I will refrain from further comment on the relative merits of these two applications. The comment about superior tagging in Accordance provoked me to babble. Each application has its own strengths and weaknesses. I personally prefer Logos.

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/528996#Comment_528996

I tried to get Logos to either match the deal or get close to it a few months ago when they also had the NICOT/NICNT on sale, but they wouldn't budge on their price so I bought it from a competitor instead. The tagging is not near as good Logos' software, but that is only a minor inconvenience when there was almost $600 difference in price.

I have not used Accordance or Olive Tree, so I am relying on your description of the quality of the resources in those two eco-systems.

I've not compared this resource to the competition, but I've compared many others and Logos tagging is not that much better to take a $600 hit. Get it on the others if you like and use the others. Great resource. I bought it for much more at Logos and wish I could have gotten it on one of the other two for $600 less when I bought it.

Adam Rao

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529760#Comment_529760

Generally speaking there are resources in Logos that are better tagged than others; some are really good, others are really bad (meaning some references are not tagged; or the resource contains many errors; see this thread as an example)! Is Accordance's tagging better in this sense? In other words, would the Quality Assurance process seem to be better in producing Accordance resources vs Logos?

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. In Logos, sometimes things are tagged well; sometimes they're tagged really poorly. Accordance's tagging is always solid. The difference between the two? Logos offers way more in terms of resources – Accordance doesn't have AYB, for example, which is a huge problem, in my opinion.

My biggest beef with Logos' tagging – how about the fact that, as part of the GBS bundle, you get an untagged UBS4 even though Logos offers a tagged UBS4! That would never happen with Accordance. Logos vs. Accordance is a quantity vs. quality battle, as far as I'm concerned. I love Accordance the software. I can't stand the lack of certain resources. (Not that Logos always wins there, either. Not having Abingdon products, OTL/NTL, etc. is really, really annoying. But, I also feel pretty confident that if these resources are ever released digitally for both platforms, it'll be Logos who gets them before, or even rather than, Accordance.)

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529285#Comment_529285

These commentaries are not typically "sit down and read" books that can get by with minimal tagging.

Really? I would say that commentaries require far less tagging than most resources. I just open a commentary to the passage I am studying, and that comes late in the study process for me, after the inductive process.

Commentaries are often full of cross references that need linking and non-standard verse references that need manual markup. Plus they need Bible indexing to be able to work with passage guide. Good commentaries probably need as much tagging as a dictionary.

I guess it would depend upon how one studies. Of course, I would assume Bible indexing. But I cannot agree that good commentaries, which I use, require as much tagging as a dictionary. Nor do I agree that commentaries get that much extra tagging in Logos. But it is that difference of opinion that makes a horse race.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530043#Comment_530043

I would tend to agree that extra tagging is not worth an extra $600. Perhaps it escapes notice but it seems to be that tagging is self-remunerating because it is useless unless you have also purchased the resources to which it points. I know that seeing Dead Sea Scrolls references has made me want to purchase the resource. My point is that "the extra tagging work" is not all cost; it also profits the company. It profits also at a broader level: better tagging means greater functionality which results in more customer satisfaction and loyalty and so more business. So the line that there is more tagging, therefore much higher pricing is justified is perhaps questionable.

I don't know: personally, I would like to get the set for free (and many more) and somehow that Logos staff would still make a decent living. I'm still waiting for this miracle solution.

JoshInRI

When I looked into Accordance I assumed it was a new Logos offering under a different name.

It sure seemed that way. I was wrong. I just can't be bothered to have yet another resource, though my guess is there is far less advertising in Accordance. As this is a Logos forum...I continue to wish the homepage in Logos had more lengthy devotional content rather than sales items.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530071#Comment_530071

I continue to wish the homepage in Logos had more lengthy devotional content rather than sales items

Perhaps this question is superfluous but are you aware that you can customize the contents of your home page (increase the devotional presence, reduce/remove the promotional stuff)?

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530071#Comment_530071

...I continue to wish the homepage in Logos had more lengthy devotional content rather than sales items.

I dont have any sales, but devotionals and updates as you wish to have. Did you select what content you want? Here is mine, no complains whatsoever:

here are my content settings:

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530095#Comment_530095

For Francis

I do not have control over how tiny or large the devotional content on my homepage is.Logos does. I can create a new homepage and challenging layouts but as a user I find the homepage is primarily there to promote sales at Logos...usually books I cannot afford and some that show me the recent niches that Logos is reaching out to.

To me the biggest thing that Logos can do is completely revamp its frontpage on Android and Windows. Make it something other than ereader or a sales driven tool. I also do not see myself switching to Accordance which looks like they suddenly once added on Windows as an addendum - though I do admit some of their low cost sale items look attractive to me.

I just cannot be bothered with another system that looks and feels like Logos but is NOT.

(addendum) Wild Eagle I see tiny sections of devotional content and 3 columns of what Logos updated. I concur changes can be made...its just not robust and user friendly enough yet to me....but its headed there I concede.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530393#Comment_530393

Josh, I also am annoyed from time to time by the commercial aspect of Logos. However, I tell myself that part of being a cutting edge company involves the practical realities of money-making and business. As a company, it is clear that Logos is very resolutely making use of aggressive marketing strategies. It may be annoying from our perspective but sound from theirs. So I try to ignore it. And at times, there happens to be a good deal that I am happy to find out about (and freebies).

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530393#Comment_530393

(addendum) Wild Eagle I see tiny sections of devotional content and 3 columns of what Logos updated.

But note that Wild Eagle has "Updated Resources" selected

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530410#Comment_530410

By selecting less options and leaving out anything but devotional, you can get something like this:

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530071#Comment_530071

When I looked into Accordance I assumed it was a new Logos offering under a different name.

It sure seemed that way. I was wrong. I just can't be bothered to have yet another resource, though my guess is there is far less advertising in Accordance. As this is a Logos forum...I continue to wish the homepage in Logos had more lengthy devotional content rather than sales items.

The only thing close to an advertisement i have seen in Accordance is on the updates page. When all your items are up to date. you are shown the paid updates. I constantly see the Narva translation there, but since I do not speak spanish not going to pay for the update, and just now I see Strongs numbers have been added to the NJPS translation, but I have no need for it.

-Dan

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530436#Comment_530436

Fracis...let me type plainly and respectfully.

Even your examples show clipped devotionals. There is just no reason for that in Logos, sorry.

On a large screen we get maybe an inch of something...its just silly imho.

Blessings,

Joshua

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/530545#Comment_530545

Peace, Dear Young Brother! *smile*

Perhaps we are somehow "talking" past each other?? For example, right now I have 6 "pages" on my home "page" -- on those 6 pages I have 9 daily devotionals that I have prioritized, including one that I made for myself that I'm very pleased with!\ I guess you could say that every one is "clipped" (am not sure what you mean?) ......... When I select one of my daily devotionals (and I actually don't have time to read every one every day), it "opens up" my devotional ...

So, what are you referring to, please? (I just don't see Logos putting each whole daily devotional on my "front page," since that would require too much space ... ... so .. to me "clipped" is the way to go ... What would be the alternatives except for very small devotionals???

R. Mansfield

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/529865#Comment_529865

Just tried hover over a reference to 1 Macc 2:64 in BDAG and received nothing (Yes, I do have a tagged LXX).

Jack, your preferences are not set up correctly. In preferences, under Tool Display, set your alternate text to something with the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals such as the LXX you mentioned that you have or the NRSV.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/531341#Comment_531341

Just tried hover over a reference to 1 Macc 2:64 in BDAG and received nothing (Yes, I do have a tagged LXX).

Jack, your preferences are not set up correctly. In preferences, under Tool Display, set your alternate text to something with the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals such as the LXX you mentioned that you have or the NRSV.

Thanks.

Fall-Guy

Not promoting another company's deals but

Yeah, you are. And you set an example for others to do the same.

Ray from Faithlife

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/534922#Comment_534922

Dan Pritchett wrote a very thorough response to the question of posts about other software companies. I believe it applies here.

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