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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2013 1:25 PM

I am reading through 1 Kings 16, and thought I would like to see some of the dynasties graphically ... so out comes the time line.

I typed in Asa and he appears ...  910-873 BC Big Smile

... but I want the Kings of Israel as well ... so remove the search term and stay at about 900 BC ... and i see a lot of entries at about that time ... possibly too many ...

so I click on the Biblical button ... and Asa seems to disappear ... WHY?

I would have thought that Asa was biblical ...

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Mike McKnelly | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2013 1:36 PM

Sorry for asking a question along with your question. But I would like to know is there way of finding which resources are tagged with timeline information? Morris Proctor's manual states that you can link a. tagged book with the timeline.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2013 5:44 PM

Mike McKnelly:
But I would like to know is there way of finding which resources are tagged with timeline information? Morris Proctor's manual states that you can link a. tagged book with the timeline.

You can't link via link sets but if you click the resource's Visual filters icon and select Timeline events you can click on the event flags that are displayed to access that period on the Timeline.

Unfortunately, there isn't a way to readily identify resource with timeline events, except by checking Visual filters or seeing which resources are listed when you click on a timeline.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 8:04 AM

Dave Hooton:

You can't link via link sets...

Actually, if the Timeline tool and another resource that has timeline events are both in the link set, then when you scroll the resource the timeline will scroll to the location of the visible events and will place those events at the top of the Timeline panel above a horizontal line. You can even put the Timeline panel on the Follow linking option.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 9:22 AM

I wonder what happened to Asa.  Did the Deuteronomist kick him out?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 2:55 PM

Andrew Batishko (Logos):
Actually, if the Timeline tool and another resource that has timeline events are both in the link set, then when you scroll the resource the timeline will scroll to the location of the visible events a

Timeline doesn't scroll with History of the Christian Church nor Bible Knowledge Commentary. Do you have a beta 5.2 version?

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 3:45 PM

Dave Hooton:

Andrew Batishko (Logos):
Actually, if the Timeline tool and another resource that has timeline events are both in the link set, then when you scroll the resource the timeline will scroll to the location of the visible events a

Timeline doesn't scroll with History of the Christian Church nor Bible Knowledge Commentary. Do you have a beta 5.2 version?

This feature has been in place since the initial implementation in 5.0. It only works with actual event markers (the solid flags), not just a date marker (the hollow flags). I'm having a hard time finding an event in either of those resources. I verified the behavior in both "131 Christians Everyone Should Know" and "The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia".

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L.A. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 3:47 PM

Denise:

I wonder what happened to Asa.  Did the Deuteronomist kick him out?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 4:10 PM

Andrew Batishko (Logos):
I verified the behavior in both "131 Christians Everyone Should Know" and "The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia".

I eventually found a solid flag in 131 Christians.

Please note that some events for Asa are missing when the Biblical switch is used! I found other instances e.g. with David.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 4:37 PM

Dave Hooton:

Please note that some events for Asa are missing when the Biblical switch is used! I found other instances e.g. with David.

The Biblical filter causes the Timeline tool to only display events that have a corresponding entry in the Bible Facts panel. A Timeline event is an independent hand-created entity that exists in the timeline resource that is associated with locations in resources and with specific Bible Facts events. In the same way that not all dates in all resources have a corresponding Timeline event, not all Bible Facts events have a corresponding Timeline event. As more Timeline events are created, more of the entries that correspond to Bible Facts will show up when the Biblical filter is enabled.

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2013 11:41 PM

Andrew Batishko (Logos):

In the same way that not all dates in all resources have a corresponding Timeline event, not all Bible Facts events have a corresponding Timeline event. As more Timeline events are created, more of the entries that correspond to Bible Facts will show up when the Biblical filter is enabled.

Andrew, thanks for the reply ... But I am still a little confused.

What you are saying is that there is a huge chunk of OT history that have not had any timeline events created? Looking at my screen dumps, there is nothing post 900BC, and as Dave points out, even David is missing.

Returning to Asa, there is an entry for Asa, but it is just not treated as 'biblical'. When that entry was created, why was it not created as biblical? Looking at the resources that it references, they are similar encyclopedias to the items that are tagged As biblical. I am aware that I am using the word tagged, when you are saying that it uses a different data set? Why was it not in the biblical data set in the first place?

Thanks.

BTW. will,somebody fix this forum ... Replying on an iPad is still painfull with the constant loss of the caret.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 2 2013 9:14 AM

There are two different resources we are dealing with here. One is the Bible Facts resource and one is the Timeline resource. It is theoretically possible for someone to have neither, both, or only one of those resources unlocked on their account.

The Bible Facts resource includes a particular database containing a list of events that occur in the bible (this shows up as DB:BIBLICAL-EVENTS in the About Logos Bible Software window). These don't have dates associated with them because the bible doesn't give us dates for those events. You can see these events by opening up the Bible Facts tool and typing something in navigation bar at the top of the panel. If you type Asa, you see a list of matching Bible Facts. Items in that list with the flag icon indicate bible events that have been created. Selecting one of those (such as Asa succeeds Abijah) will display some information about that event, and a hierarchical tree of events. Note that the bolded entries in that tree (such as Reign of Asa in Judah) are not events. They are for grouping, and can't actually be selected for more information.

The Timeline resource (DB:UNIVERSAL-TIMELINE in the About window) contains a database with short event titles, a date range, a list of locations in resources where the event is referenced, and (possibly) a reference to an entry in the Bible Facts event. Data is added to the Timeline resource by having someone go through a particular resource and add information for all the dates that are mentioned in that resource. This means that if we haven't yet processed a book that mentions an event, or if the event isn't mentioned with a date, then it won't appear in the Timeline resource.

The Biblical filter in the Timeline tool allows you to only see those events that are associated with an event in the Bible Facts resource. If an event is not visible when that filter is turned on, there a two reasons. 1) There is no corresponding event in the Bible Facts resource. 2) We made a mistake and didn't associate the Timeline event with the Bible Facts event. You can see an example of the second in this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/72125/502242.aspx

In the particular case of Asa, there is an entry in the Timeline resource for "Reign of Asa in Judah". The Bible Facts resource contains a category with that exact name, but no actual Bible Facts events that match the Timeline event. Therefore the entry in the Timeline resource was not associated with any Bible Facts events and therefore the Timeline event does not display when you turn on the Biblical filter.

However, it appears that some of the resource references that are linked to the "Reign of Asa in Judah" Timeline event reference dates that could be tied to specific Bible Facts events (such as "Asa king of Judah dies" or "Asa succeeds Abijah"), so there could be an argument for associating the "Reign of Asa in Judah" Timeline event with all of the Bible Facts events under the "Reign of Asa in Judah" category.

I will bring this particular situation (and thread) to the attention of our team that works on this data, but I can not say when or if it will be changed.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 2 2013 1:57 PM

Andrew, thank you for the detailed explanation & response.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 2 2013 2:36 PM

Peace, Andrew!         *smile*                    I add my Thanks!           to Dave's!              Very helpful indeed!

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 2 2013 10:47 PM

Thank You. 

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Bob Soule | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 12 2020 2:51 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Dave Hooton:

You can't link via link sets...

Actually, if the Timeline tool and another resource that has timeline events are both in the link set, then when you scroll the resource the timeline will scroll to the location of the visible events and will place those events at the top of the Timeline panel above a horizontal line. You can even put the Timeline panel on the Follow linking option.

I linked "131 Christians Everyone should Know" with the timeline and it does not show the timeline event as I scroll through "131 Christians Everyone should Know". The only person that I have to work as expected is with Spurgeon.

I am on Mac Catalina, Logos 8.11.

Does this work for anybody else? 

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 12 2020 3:45 PM

Bob Soule:
I linked "131 Christians Everyone should Know" with the timeline and it does not show the timeline event as I scroll through "131 Christians Everyone should Know". The only person that I have to work as expected is with Spurgeon.


This is because the book resources have been updated, but the timeline resource has not been updated. We just recently created a case to take care of this. I don't have any prediction about when or if this will be resolved.

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Bob Soule | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 12 2020 4:03 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

This is because the book resources have been updated, but the timeline resource has not been updated. We just recently created a case to take care of this. I don't have any prediction about when or if this will be resolved.

Thanks Andrew

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