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Paul Strickert | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Oct 15 2013 8:49 AM
EDIT: What accounts for the disparity in price between the Logos edition of BW and the competition?
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Fall-Guy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 8:54 AM

Paul Strickert:
Not promoting another company's deals but

Yeah, you are.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:06 AM

Just ordered a book about Bonhoeffer for$5.59 as printed matter ½ hour ago (addition to an existing open order and it didn't add any postage) after someone suggesting on Christianforums.com who said some of them are public domain (I haven't checked if they actually are legally public domain). EDIT: But the book I ordered is not a public domain book, I doubted that the person on Christianforums was suggesting something he knew as being fully allowed. Also reported this thread by Paul.

I'm tired at buying books in Bible Study software, I don't have that particular software You talked about in Your first version of Your opening post, Paul, and I would not pay $180 just for works by one author.

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Paul Strickert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:12 AM
I used Mark Smith's post here http://community.logos.com/forums/t/75596.aspx?PageIndex=1 as a template for mine. He should know, I would think, what is and is not appropriate to post. Double standard, anyone?
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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:12 AM

Bonhoeffer Works is not in public domain, and this price is a good price.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:14 AM

Paul Strickert:
I used Mark Smith's post here http://community.logos.com/forums/t/75596.aspx?PageIndex=1 as a template for mine. He should know, I would think, what is and is not appropriate to post. Double standard, anyone?
I think both post do not conform to Logos' forum rules.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:35 AM

$180 is a good price. $500 is not.

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Fall-Guy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:47 AM

Paul Strickert:
I used Mark Smith's post here http://community.logos.com/forums/t/75596.aspx?PageIndex=1 as a template for mine. He should know, I would think, what is and is not appropriate to post. Double standard, anyone?

Are you saying MVPs never make mistakes?

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Paul Strickert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 9:50 AM
No, not at all. But within 15 minutes of my post, I was scolded twice. Not one person complained about Mark's post in all the weeks since he made it. It makes me wonder why. ;o)
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Fall-Guy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 10:15 AM

Paul Strickert:
Not one person complained about Mark's post

I just now scolded Mark too. I am sorry you felt singled out.

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Paul Strickert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 10:51 AM
OK. I feel better now! ;o) The real question, though, is how to explain the price difference. I'd definitely pay more to have BW in my Logos library. The tagging in Logos, from what I understand, is more sophisticated than people realize. But a $300 difference in price is hard to fathom. Any insight into what accounts for the disparity?
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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 10:59 AM

I wouldn't let the forum Gestapo bother you too much.  I never do.

There are Bonhoeffer ebooks available to read for free on the internet.  I read one last week. That doesn't mean they are in public domain, though. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 2:57 PM

Michael Childs:
I wouldn't let the forum Gestapo bother you too much.  I never do.

Big Smile Michael, that is priceless Cool

Forgive my insensitivity. While I agree with the sentiment, the choice for comparison was inappropriate.

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Fall-Guy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 4:50 PM

Jack Caviness:

Michael Childs:
I wouldn't let the forum Gestapo bother you too much.  I never do.

Big Smile Michael, that is priceless Cool

So , I am a Nazi for caring about the stupid forum guidelines?  Funny.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 15 2013 6:45 PM

Jack Caviness:

Michael Childs:
I wouldn't let the forum Gestapo bother you too much.  I never do.

Big Smile Michael, that is priceless Cool

How?

I found it extremely rude, as well as a whole lot of other things. Like insensitive to those who fell victims to the real Gestapo. Like just plain stupid, because when we get used to language like that, we have no language left to warn about the next budding 'Gestapo'. 

If this thread shows anything, I would think it shows the value of the thankless job those do who do follow the guideline to "help others follow these guidelines". When no one wants to do that job, posts that slip by because of it are suddenly seen as models for others to follow, and the next we know everything is allowed.

Michael, I'm reporting your post as abuse. If calling others 'Gestapo' is OK, then guideline number 3 is a joke, and we can just skip the guidelines altogether.

And, Jack, I thought better of you.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:01 AM

fgh:
And, Jack, I thought better of you.

As usual, you are correct. I apologize for my insensitivity.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:57 AM

Paul Strickert:
OK. I feel better now! ;o) The real question, though, is how to explain the price difference. I'd definitely pay more to have BW in my Logos library. The tagging in Logos, from what I understand, is more sophisticated than people realize. But a $300 difference in price is hard to fathom. Any insight into what accounts for the disparity?

No one explains prices in detail, but there typically are a number of factors to consider:

The Logos price will be their cost to produce plus a revenue surplus.

  • One factor is the royalty Logos has to pay to the publishing rights holder for each copy sold. It may well be that such companies strike different contracts with different bible software companies.
  • One factor is the cost of initially (digitizing and) tagging the resources. This factor will be broken down into a sum per copy that Logos calculates on estimated sales.
  • One factor is the overhead Logos needs to price into the resources (maintaining servers, building, the software etc.)

Regardless of cost, in order to not crowd out their dead-tree sales, publishers may request Logos to charge no less than $XYZ - but then they may not be obliged to put the same request on other bible software companies. This taken together may mean that even if Logos could sell more than twice as much at half the price, it might mean generating much less or even negative revenue, maybe even breach of contract, if they were to lower their prices that much. 

Logos is the premier bible software company (in Germany we'd say "the Mercedes of bible software") which means the prices for everything tend to be a bit higher than elsewhere, reflecting the necessary investment of the company into its product but also the fact that the installed base is smaller. This in turn will also mean that the calculation factors I gave for the cost side will be different for a less sophisticated company with an installed base into the millions.

On top of this, bible software companies as well as publishers may use certain products as loss-leaders to attract new customers or introduce existing customers to new/higher value levels of products. Maybe this is what you were seeing elsewhere. It may as well be that the publisher re-thought their approach to digital editions and their pricing - and then Logos could perhaps re-negotiate.

 

 

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Ray from Faithlife | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 16 2013 8:44 AM

Dan Pritchett wrote a very thorough response to the question of posts about other software companies. I believe it applies here.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 16 2013 9:05 AM

RayDeck3:

Even though Dan's response is a few years old it is still excellent and worth reading and understanding.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:43 PM

fgh:

Jack Caviness:

Michael Childs:
I wouldn't let the forum Gestapo bother you too much.  I never do.

Big Smile Michael, that is priceless Cool

How?

I found it extremely rude, as well as a whole lot of other things. Like insensitive to those who fell victims to the real Gestapo. Like just plain stupid, because when we get used to language like that, we have no language left to warn about the next budding 'Gestapo'. 

If this thread shows anything, I would think it shows the value of the thankless job those do who do follow the guideline to "help others follow these guidelines". When no one wants to do that job, posts that slip by because of it are suddenly seen as models for others to follow, and the next we know everything is allowed.

Michael, I'm reporting your post as abuse. If calling others 'Gestapo' is OK, then guideline number 3 is a joke, and we can just skip the guidelines altogether.

And, Jack, I thought better of you.

I bet you hated that ole TV program "Hogan's Heroes".  That is more the Gestapo that I was thinking of.  That was probably a poor choice, and not the last poor choice I will make.

So I will "Nip it in the bud!"  I retract my "Gestapo" comment, and the intended humorous hyperbole.

I certainly wouldn't want to appear arrogant, or judgmental, or like I thought I was in charge of this forum.

And I am sorry that I offended you so much. 

 

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