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Brian Collins | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2013 8:16 AM
I believe a compelling financial interest exists for Logos to improve its Windows Store app for Windows 8 / 8.1 devices. - NetMarketShare reports that the usage share for Windows 8 has not risen above the usage share for all versions of OSX combined. There is likely a growing user base for Logos on Windows 8 devices. - Because Logos 5 runs on Windows 8 / 8.1 the Windows Store app would not need to be as full featured as the iOS or Android apps. Thus it would not require the same level of financial investment from Logos. - However, Logos 5 takes too long to open for quick reading. Sometimes I launch Logos to read a book or article and then open a Kindle book in the Kindle app to read while Logos 5 is opening. Sometimes I never make it back to Logos. For this reason I'm more inclined to buy theological ebooks that I intend to read through (as opposed to reference works) on Kindle rather than on Logos. - As it stands the Logos Windows Store App will not work even as a basic reader. This is primarily due to the lack of any table of contents feature. If I'm reading a book of theological essays on an article from a theological journal, its difficult if not impossible in the Logos WinStore app to get to the essay or article I want to read. By releasing an effective reader on the Windows 8/8.1 platform Logos increases the opportunities for Logos/Vyrso book sales for those who use Win 8/8.1 devices.
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Dennis E. McFadden | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 26 2013 8:20 AM
I would like to second the request for a more robust app for Windows 8/8.1. With Microsoft releasing the new Surface 2 RT this week, predictions of a small market share negating the value for Logos to invest in a more full-featured app are mitigated. Microsoft obviously intends to have a bigger footprint into the tablet market. LOGOS, PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR APP!!! My nearly 6,900 unlocks are crying for a better app.
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More and more people are going to be using Windows Store Apps on their PC's.  Even if I have Logos 5 installed on my desktop I may want to jump into the Store app for quick reference or maybe a touch screen experience.

In other words this is not just about an RT app.  Make a better store app and people will use it on x86 and ARM.  It isn't like making a store app is just for Surface or other Windows RT devices.  Everyone can use it.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 11 2013 5:31 PM

I have had a good experience using Windows 8/8.1 on my laptop and like the direction Microsoft is taking with it.

I would like my next phone, and eventually tablet, to run Windows in order integrate all the devices easily. The lack of a decent Logos Windows would probably keep me from doing that.

So, here's another vote for maintaining and developing the Windows store app.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 11 2013 6:33 PM
ditto on continuing development of the Windows app.
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Jeff Miles | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 18 2013 3:25 PM
I also ask that development continue on the Windows 8/8.1 App.
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David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 25 2013 9:02 AM

I think Logos is making a mistake by not developing their windows App. They say they will not do so unless the Surface reaches 10% of market saturation. This reasoning misses two important points.  FIRST The size of the tablet market has exploded to the point that even a 5% saturation is a tremendous number of units. They should be thinking in terms of a target number of units instead of percentage of market.  SECOND the windows app includes more than just the  the Surfac as Brian has Pointed out. Also Brian's point about the use of Kindle is important. If I am purchasing a book that is available on Kindle. I always purchase it there instead of Logos for the same reasons Brian has mentioned. I would much prefer to purchase them through logos so that they would be part of the highlighting, note making, and indexing advantages of Logos if the app were usable.

I gave my iPad 3 to my wife and purchased a Surface 2 on a trial basis. After 2 days I was ready to take it back. But now I prefer it. When we traveled to Phoenix I didn't have to take a tablet and a laptop because the Surface with a keyboard works so well with Office. I was able to begin a new sermon series on the plane. I could have never done this with my iPad. Plus on the plane it fit and worked much better on the tray than the ipad or laptop.  Laridian has developed their windows appPocketPC  to the point that I use it on my Surface 2 to teach my classes. It will be my preferred Bible program (when using the limited library available) until Logos decides to develop their app. Logos. Hope you are reading these posts. I love you program. IT IS THE BEST.  Please reconsider.

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Brooke Wenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 26 2013 6:27 AM

I would love to see some more development on the Logos Windows Store App.  I have been in the market for a tablet for a few weeks now and have decided on the Surface.  One of the only negatives about the surface is the Logos software available for the RT devices.  The surface, as well as other devices that run from the Windows Store Apps are going to continue to rise in popularity.  Particularly with a tablet version of Office available.  Love the Surface. Love Logos.  Please see the desire of your customers and work on the app.

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Mike & Rachel Aubrey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 28 2013 7:20 AM
  • Windows Store is terrible because there aren't any good apps.
  • There aren't any good apps because Windows Store is terrible.
  • Logos won't improve the Windows App unless enough people use it.
  • I have no interest in using unless Logos improves it.

I feel like Yossarian.

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Daniel R Bartholomew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2013 10:45 AM
Mike Aubrey:
  • Windows Store is terrible because there aren't any good apps.
  • There aren't any good apps because Windows Store is terrible.
  • Logos won't improve the Windows App unless enough people use it.
  • I have no interest in using unless Logos improves it.

I feel like Yossarian.

Well put. If only Windows had upgraded their Tablet concept a couple of years ago (they have had Tablets for years, remember?), closer to the roll out of the iPad and the Android. Right now, it's a difficult hurdle to overcome the built-in bias to these two mobile OS.
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Rom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 1 2013 7:16 PM

I would also love a functional windows 8 app! I just purchased a Surface Pro 2. While running full L5 is incredible, I have to use my ipad for reading because the win8 app is terrible, and the L5 desktop app is clunky for reading. Just a few features needed for now! Offline reading and table of contents would be a great start!

'' Edit: Oops, I didn't realize that offline reading is now available (still figuring out the Win8 interface!). If we could have a ToC that'd be great!
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Stephen Challen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 2 2013 8:46 AM

I would like to add our church to the need for Windows 8 & Windows 8 Mobile apps for the Faith Life Study Bible for our congregation to use the facilities provided alongside Proclaim.

Windows mobile devices are picking up in sales in the UK.

I know that when I went over to Android 2 years later Android was the largest selling device in the world and yet when I moved everyone thought I was crazy.  Now I've moved to Microsoft.  I earnestly believe that the Microsoft Windows 8 Mobile is a superior product but I know only a minority will currently agree with me.

I agree that I think need to be on the Windows platform as soon as possible.

I am grateful to see I can read Logos books on my Windows 8 devices however it does not yet have the functionality offered under the other operating systems and am eager for the growing numbers in our church to benefit from the facilities in Proclaim and Faith Life who have chosen Windows 8 devices.

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2013 10:15 PM

I purchased a Samsung Ultrabook one week ago, and am now running Win 8.1.  I downloaded Logos  5 and my library when I got the laptop. Tonight I found the Logos app in the Windows Store and downloaded it. It sounds as if everyone is having trouble with the store app.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way  I can use my library with the store app is to download the complete library again, correct?

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Christopher S Macy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 19 2013 7:46 AM

Gary >

Correct, the Logos App you downloaded from the windows App store cannot access your book files from your Logos 5 on your desktop.

This is not Logos fault, Microsoft does not allow apps from the app store to access files that are installed the old fashioned way. They have their reasons, but maybe this will change in the future. Until then we'll have to have them separate.

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Rohan Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 19 2013 3:08 PM

Microsoft has shown that Windows RT/ARM devices aren't going away anytime soon. There's growing support for the Surface 2 as well as the Nokia Lumia 2520. Metro is here to stay, and the market is growing pretty well.

Please reconsider putting more functionality and development into this app!

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 19 2013 4:05 PM

I do not think anyone at Logos actually cares about Windows (touch) Tablet users or Windows Phone users.

Hopefully I will be proven wrong soon.

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 8:32 AM

At this point I'm looking for another Bible software package for my wife and kids -- because they use Windows 8.1 tablets with touch screen, full Logos isn't really useful in tablet mode, and the logos app is so minimal as to be pretty much useless. I hate to switch them to something other than Logos, but... There is a huge touch screen market out there for Windows apps, so Logos needs to address this.


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Rob Kuefner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 9:35 AM

I've posted my interest in Windows 8 apps and Windows Phone App in other places, but I want to add my support for this thread too. I know that Logos refers to Surface and RT market share as reasons for not working on the app, and while I think it will be a growing market (love the integration now that I have a Surface RT, Lumia 928 and an 8.1  laptop - superior ecosystem in my opinion), I think the above comments regarding the fact that other devices, including touch screen laptops and desktops and other new windows devices running 8.1 will continue to have a growing app market share is a reality. I don't see Microsoft completely abandoning that in the future.  

I think an example of how well done an 8.1 app can be done while also working in a traditional desktop application is OneNote. If Logos could pull that off, I think it would be incredible. At the very least I would think it would be to Logos benefit long term to have an 8.1 Modern app that would allow for highlighting and note taking. I don't expect the complete Logos experience, for that I use my desktop app, but I would think what's available on the ios 7 and android devices, could be accomplished for a 8.1 Windows Modern app.  

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Daniel Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 27 2014 12:58 PM

My argument: Improve the Windows Store Logos app not because of Windows RT device market share, but because then you tap into all those Windows 8.1 customers who are getting tablets and touchscreen laptops and other devices that can run your app.  Sure, they can install Logos 5 (and then 6, 7, etc).  

But make it easy.  Let people new to Logos grab your app from the Windows Store, instead of hassling with going to a website and finding an installer and indexing and so forth. They're that much more likely to become customers and get to a point where they use the desktop program as well, and invest in a base package, and the list goes on.

I realize I might not be a typical customer.  But I've tried all the ways you can use Logos (except the Mac edition of Logos).  I've got a Windows 7 desktop and laptop. I've had tablets - the iPad and various Android tablets from Samsung and Asus and B&N and Amazon.  I've had phones - iOS and Android both.  

More recently, I've tried Windows 8.1 on the Asus T100, a hybrid Windows tablet with detachable keyboard dock.  It's not a perfect device, but it's 'good enough'.  Fast enough processor, big enough screen, adequate keyboard, and excellent battery life.  I can use it as a laptop or undock and use it as a tablet.

It's got full Windows, so I loaded the full Logos 5 program.  It works...but not quickly enough to use for a brief search and not really the best for extended reading.  If the Windows Store app had the features of the Android/iOS apps, that would be perfect.  

Things like downloading multiple books would be nice, but Table of Contents/Verse Picker would be an absolute minimum feature.  Other key features would be Passage Guide and then down the road notes/favorites.

I can do the vast majority of my study/reading in the Android app, and then drop to the desktop application for tricky passages/extended study.  So the app is a very high priority.  

If there's no app, then I am less and less motivated to use Logos.  Then when I see those books sitting idle in my electronic library, I'm tempted to not have the money tied up in Logos.  

If you make it easy to let customers access the books on all their devices, they're more likely to buy Logos books and Vyrso books, whether they need them or not. If you make it hard, they'll look elsewhere - Amazon, Olive Tree, and your other competitors.

You can't support every platform, but limiting yourself to Android and iOS could be as bad a move as supporting everything out there.  

Please reconsider improving the Windows Store app to have at least some of the core features of the Android/iOS Logos apps.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 1 2014 2:53 PM

Amen Brother.  Lets hope the hardworking wonderful men and women developors and gurus wake up and smell the coffee on this one.

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