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Scott W Fischer | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Nov 17 2013 7:56 PM

I'm taking a Latin language class in a location that does not have WIFI access.

On my Google Nexus 10 tablet with the Verbum application, I use the Dictionary of Latin Forms.  I've discovered that without Internet access, any search within this document returns the message "reference not recognized", but if I'm able to have an active Internet connection (via an access point on my phone) then the search completes correctly.

With that document downloaded to my device, why would I need an active Internet connection in order to search withing said document?

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Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 22 2013 3:17 AM

Scott

Like you I am referring to offline/no wifi.

When you say “search” are you referring to the pull-down box at the top of the screen?  The box where you type in a Bible reference to open the Bible to? 

I have the same problem with my downloaded dictionaries and lexicons.  For ease of example (rather than Latin or Greek) let’s use Webster’s dictionary in the off line mode.  If I type in “cat” I will get the “Reference not recognized” at the bottom of the screen as you mentioned.

When the pull-down “reference box” is visible (someone please help me with the correct term here) there is a scroll bar at the bottom of the screen.  You can move the slider from “A” to “Z” but getting the slider to stop on the exact word you want is nigh to impossible.  It is possible to get it close then flip through 10 or 50 pages to get to the word “cat”.

The Bible works fine in off line.  The search is a bit slow offline, but I can live with that. With the proliferation of slates and tablets one would think you could dictionaries and lexicons in offline mode type in a word and it takes you to it.

As I travel considerable where wifi hotspots are rare i.e. in an airplane, bus or train, as you do, I would like to use that function.

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Scott W Fischer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 25 2013 4:04 PM

I am specifically referring to when I am in a resource (specifically the Dictionary of Latin Forms) and I touch the middle of the screen, which brings up a search box (with at TOC tree next to it) and then enter a term in that box.

I can certainly page forward and back (or use the TOC tree, or document slider) to get to the appropriate dictionary lookup but this is extremely cumbersome as compared to a search bringing me the the exact dictionary entry.

I also can live with SLOW in offline search, but not non-functional.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 2 2013 8:08 PM

Scott W Fischer:

I am specifically referring to when I am in a resource (specifically the Dictionary of Latin Forms) and I touch the middle of the screen, which brings up a search box (with at TOC tree next to it) and then enter a term in that box.

I can certainly page forward and back (or use the TOC tree, or document slider) to get to the appropriate dictionary lookup but this is extremely cumbersome as compared to a search bringing me the the exact dictionary entry.

I also can live with SLOW in offline search, but not non-functional.

Scott,

I will write up a case about offline search not working with this resource.

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Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 11 2013 11:46 PM

Kevin

It isnt just that one resource, it is any lexicon or dictionary in the offline mode; BDAG, HALOT, Louo-Nida, MWCDTE; ODCC, COED, etc.

Thanks for looking in to this.

Steve

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 12 2013 12:55 AM

Hi Kevin

Kevin Byford:
I will write up a case about offline search not working with this resource.

As per Steve's point it doesn't look to be resource specific.

Please see thread at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/78641.aspx which is discussing the same problem.

Graham 

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 12 2013 12:27 PM

Steve C.:

Kevin

It isnt just that one resource, it is any lexicon or dictionary in the offline mode; BDAG, HALOT, Louo-Nida, MWCDTE; ODCC, COED, etc.

Thanks for looking in to this.

Steve

It turns out that searching through many resources even while they are download requires an internet connection because those searches are too processor intensive for mobile devices; the searches are instead performed on Logos' servers and returned to the device.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 12 2013 1:32 PM

Hi Kevin

Kevin Byford:
It turns out that searching through many resources even while they are download requires an internet connection because those searches are too processor intensive for mobile devices; the searches are instead performed on Logos' servers and returned to the device.

That's interesting to know

Graham Criddle:
Please see thread at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/78641.aspx which is discussing the same problem.

And, apologies, my post above was in error. The other thread is talking about reference lookups as opposed to searching. Sorry for any confusion.

Graham

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Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 13 2013 2:17 AM

Kevin

Thanks for your input.  Interesting!  Is what I am referring to actually a search?  When someone is using a Bible and pulls down the “reference/passage box” and types in “John 3:16” then touches “Go” the Bible will open to John 3:16.  Is that a search?

For example, if I want to use Webster’s dictionary to look up the definition of “sin”, I want the dictionary to go to the word “sin” and be able to read the definitions (NOT receive “reference not recognized”).  I generally do not want to “search” the entire Webster’s Dictionary to see where or how many times the word “sin” occurs. 

By the way “search” does work in off-line mode.  By double-touching a word it will be highlighted there are the options of “Copy, Info, Search, Note, Highlight, and Share.” If one can find the word “sin” highlight it and touch “search” it will bring up several pages of hits. “Search” can also be used from the resource/search/news/tools page and touching the search icon and selecting Websters.

If I want to use any lexicon/dictionary in off-line mode what Scott said is pertinent “I can certainly page forward and back (or use the TOC tree, or document slider) to get to the appropriate dictionary lookup but this is extremely cumbersome as compared to a search bringing me the exact dictionary entry.”

If you can go directly to John 3:16, why cannot one go directly to the desired word in the lexicon or dictionary?

(everything in this post is referring to “off-line” mode)

Steve

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 13 2013 10:00 PM

Kevin Byford:
It turns out that searching through many resources even while they are download requires an internet connection because those searches are too processor intensive for mobile devices; the searches are instead performed on Logos' servers and returned to the device.

Kevin, thanks for confirming this.

This is an issue for those of us who travel, and turn off data roaming because it's so expensive overseas. Sure, in a hotel I may be able to use WiFi, but while I'm on a bus traveling Israel or Turkey (as I will be in May next year), there will be no search available.

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