Hebrew Morphology Search

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 21 2013 5:55 PM

I am new to Logos 5. I would like to find all the words in the Hebrew Bible composed of (1) interrogative particle, attached to (2) preposition lamed, attached to (3) verb infinitive construct with (4) pronominal suffix. I think there are only two of these. Exodus 2:14 ("is it in order to kill me?") and Judges 14:15 ("is it in order to dispossess us"). Can anyone help me with the morphology string to see if there are others?

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 22 2013 5:52 PM

I found the answer. Here is the Westminster Morphology string:

@Pg WITHIN 0 WORDS @Pp WITHIN 0 WORDS @v?c????+S[123]

and it does yield only the two results I already knew: Exodus 2:14 and Judges 14:15.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 22 2013 6:37 PM

Peace to you, Gary!                Welcome to the Logos Community Forums where people from the 4 corners of the earth attempt to help and support and inform one another over against the usage of Logos Bible Software .....                     someone           ........              somewhere            ......  is monitoring these forums 24 hours a day ...

                                                                            However, it doesn't seem that way in our lack of response to your posts...

First, nobody responds!             for 24 hours!        not good!

                                    Second, you respond to yourself!          *smile*                 Well-Done!          I'm glad you've found your results and are happy ...

                              so, Gary, since Hebrew is not my "forte," although I've studied Hebrew        ................     perhaps you'll drop into the forums now and again and give someone else a "boost" who is looking for some Hebrew helps ...                                             Blessings!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 22 2013 9:01 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

Peace to you, Gary!                Welcome to the Logos Community Forums where people from the 4 corners of the earth attempt to help and support and inform one another over against the usage of Logos Bible Software .....                     someone           ........              somewhere            ......  is monitoring these forums 24 hours a day ...

                                                                            However, it doesn't seem that way in our lack of response to your posts...

First, nobody responds!             for 24 hours!        not good!

                                    Second, you respond to yourself!          *smile*                 Well-Done!          I'm glad you've found your results and are happy ...

                              so, Gary, since Hebrew is not my "forte," although I've studied Hebrew        ................     perhaps you'll drop into the forums now and again and give someone else a "boost" who is looking for some Hebrew helps ...                                             Blessings!

Sorry, but I only now noticed this post.  I too am glad that Gary was able to find his own solution.  Sometimes we are a little slow in responding so have patience.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 23 2013 8:31 AM

Thanks! Is there a resource online with a list of search arguments (like "WITHIN 0 WORDS")? Is there an easier way to search for a preposition prefixed to a noun without using the "WITHIN 0 WORDS" statement? Is it possible to exclude a noun suffix? For example, when searching for the 5 cases of "bereshit" I retrieved 6 cases using: lemma:בְּ WITHIN 0 WORDS lemma:רֵאשִׁית@ncfsc. The 6th entry from Hos 9:10 includes the suffix: so ncsfc+S3sfs. Having fun with this :)

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 23 2013 8:34 AM

Actually that's only 5 cases with lemma:רֵאשִׁית@ncfsc since Gen 1:1 is tagged lemma:רֵאשִׁית@ncfsa. So, if I just use lemma:בְּ WITHIN 0 WORDS lemma:רֵאשִׁית then I get the 6, 5 without a pronominal suffix, and 1 with suffix.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 23 2013 1:25 PM

Gary Martin:

Actually that's only 5 cases with lemma:רֵאשִׁית@ncfsc since Gen 1:1 is tagged lemma:רֵאשִׁית@ncfsa. So, if I just use lemma:בְּ WITHIN 0 WORDS lemma:רֵאשִׁית then I get the 6, 5 without a pronominal suffix, and 1 with suffix.

If you wanted to exclude Gen 1:1 use

 lemma:בְּ BEFORE 0 WORDS lemma:רֵאשִׁית@NCFS[^A]

For more info see http://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP.

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 23 2013 5:33 PM

Thanks! But I want to include Gen 1:1, and exclude Hos 9:10 which is the only result with a pronominal suffix. I am not sure how to use ^ to exclude the result with suffix. Also, I needed to use lower case letters for your example: @ncfs[^a] since upper case letters yield no results. Thanks for the link to the wiki logos search help!

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 23 2013 6:21 PM
I should mention that I am searching BHW 4.18 with Westminster Hebrew Morphology
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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 24 2013 3:41 AM

Gary Martin:
Thanks! But I want to include Gen 1:1, and exclude Hos 9:10 which is the only result with a pronominal suffix.

Strictly:

 lemma:בְּ BEFORE 0 WORDS lemma:רֵאשִׁית ANDNOT (lemma:בְּ BEFORE 0 WORDS lemma:רֵאשִׁית@n????+S[123])

as you can't exclude the pronominal suffix S.

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Gary Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 24 2013 12:35 PM

Awesome! Very instructive as well. This one example taught me a lot about how to formulate search strings, so thanks very much!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 25 2013 8:59 AM

Bless you, Dave!             *smile*                      Well-Done!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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