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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 10:47 AM

Kathleen Marie:

It shows pre-pub for me. I never owned Wordsearch.

The problem is it’s been a pre-pub for 15 or 16 months now. and I have no idea how much longer it will take before Faithlife gets around to issuing this one. My fear is since it’s not a Reformed/Baptist resource, it will be on the back-burner for a long time.

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 2:55 PM

Gary Osborne:
My fear is since it’s not a Reformed/Baptist resource, it will be on the back-burner for a long time.

Since FL acquired the Fire Bible with WS, I've noticed a ton of comparatively unimportant resources ship. Meanwhile, the FB is a foundational study resource for an entire section of FL customers and it hasn't shipped.

 I just think it shows either a bias against, a neglect of, or a lack of understanding of P&C users and resources within the FL team.

On a somewhat more positive note, the L9 Bible Engagement Project packages were great-- but alas! apparently it was curated by the AG and not     so much by FL.

Look, I love FL and especially Logos and appreciate  what they do, but... COME ON!!!

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 3:03 PM

We need to bombard  someone's email at FL and make sure we're heard.
 
It's almost like they don't like  us or the Fire Bible.

Either we or the Fire Bible are seemingly low priority to FL. Perhaps both. If we or the FB were a priority, the FB would have happened in Logos long ago. Where there's a will, there's a way. The more will, the sooner. Evidence suggests there's not much will from FL.

So anybody know the right email at FL that we can respectfully appeal to?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 3:07 PM

Gary. do you have special knowledge as to why it is not ready for release? To imply that it is because ii is not Reformed/Baptist is very impolite unless you have actual knowledge. Despite being far outside the theological position of Faithlife, I have not seen evidence of discrimination in prioritizing work on resources. I have seen discrimination based on ignorance in the software which affects a far broader swath than one theological thread.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 6:26 PM

MJ. Smith:

Gary. do you have special knowledge as to why it is not ready for release? To imply that it is because ii is not Reformed/Baptist is very impolite unless you have actual knowledge. Despite being far outside the theological position of Faithlife, I have not seen evidence of discrimination in prioritizing work on resources. I have seen discrimination based on ignorance in the software which affects a far broader swath than one theological thread.

MJ, my post was not meant to be impolite, but simply to express my worries, concerns and fears. Surely it's axiomatic that Faithlife has far more Reformed/Baptist material available for purchase than it does Pentecostal/Charismatic? And while I cede that those theological camps produced more material to begin with, it's also true that there's still a plethora of material out there from Pentecostal/Charismatic perspectives that Faithlife does not have.

After more than a decade of not offering what many would call the definitive Pentecostal Study Bible, the Fire Bible (aka Full Life Study Bible), we finally have a chance to own it but it's been sitting in Pre-Pub for at least 14months now. This would be tantamount to Faithlife having not offered the ESV Study Bible by now. Or the Reformation Study Bible by now. Or the Ryrie Study Bible by now. Or MacArthur's Study Bible notes. Or Spurgeon. And on and on it goes. Yet all of that is available while a truly definitive Pentecostal resource like the Fire Bible languishes on the sidelines. 

Look, I get that Pentecostals are not in the majority when it comes to Logos customers. But I'd have hoped that after purchasing Wordsearch (which contains the Fire Bible) there would have been some effort to prioritize this resource. Obviously not.

I'm still a loyal Logos customer. But I'm also a disappointed customer. Waiting over a decade for a resource that was offered in multiple other Bible software programs is a long time.  And I'm not getting any younger.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 6:56 PM

You think Pentecostals have problems? try being Catholic (I am) or even worst Coptic (I'm not) Big Smile My objection was to the logic of assuming Logos somehow deprioritized a resource they had committed to produce. I have no knowledge of the Fire Bible but it makes sense to me that publishers that FaithLife is used to working with would go faster than publishers that are new to them. Getting to know each other's expectations smooths a process. Second, in something like a study Bible, the number of references/media from 3rd parties become a rights issue -- the study Bible likely owned the right to use them within their own publication but not the right to sell those rights. Please feel free to grumble about the lack of Pentecostal resources -- suggest them on the feedback site; promote them in the forums; suggest features and topic categories that are useful to you. Just please satisfy this logic fanatic and don't say potentially libelous statements like " since it’s not a Reformed/Baptist resource, it will be on the back-burner for a long time." without evidence that it is on a back-burner rather than waiting on rights, files, verse-mapping . . .

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 7:03 PM

MJ. Smith:

Just please satisfy this logic fanatic and don't say potentially libelous statements like " since it’s not a Reformed/Baptist resource, it will be on the back-burner for a long time." without evidence that it is on a back-burner rather than waiting on rights, files, verse-mapping . . .

Woah there, my friend. You left off an important part of my original comment. I said, "My fear is since it's not...". Throwing around words like libelous with a statement as simple as mine is going way too far. This is a simple message board, and I'm shocked you'd take my little frustration that far.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2022 7:28 PM

I'll bow out ...

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Jeff Rogers | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 10 2022 5:08 PM

It shows a ship date of 2/25/2022 for me. 

The resource page states that it is currently and EPUB, but will be a LOGOS Edition when it ships. 

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 12 2022 6:06 AM

Jeff Rogers:

It shows a ship date of 2/25/2022 for me. 

The resource page states that it is currently and EPUB, but will be a LOGOS Edition when it ships. 

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Yep! Got my email that it would be coming February 25! After almost a decade, I finally get my number one resource! Thank you Logos and Faithlife!

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 15 2022 11:34 PM

I am still Wunderding what the difference is between the one I have.

Blessings in Christ.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2022 2:38 PM

Is it still on schedule?

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2022 3:15 PM

Wild Eagle:

Is it still on schedule?

I’m wondering that as well. Getting a little bit nervous at this point in the day.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2022 5:20 PM

🙌 thank you Faithlife!!!

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2022 6:05 PM

Yes!  Thanks to Faithlife for adding the Fire Bible!!!!!

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2022 9:01 PM

Yesss!! Thank you FL!!

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Stessiging | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2022 5:10 AM

The Fire Bible is divided into three parts. Part 1 is about the history of fire and how we have used it throughout time. Part 2 is about the different types of fires and how they are created. And finally, Part 3 is about the different ways that we can use fire to our advantage

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2022 8:04 AM

AMEN! Thank you, FaithLife. I now have my #1 bible study resource at my fingertips in Logos!!!

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 2 2022 8:54 AM

A certain competitor has the Fire Bible study notes on sale for $20 (regular price $40). Logos' price of $50 seems a bit pricey, Logos should consider coming more in line with their competitors.

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