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Abel C. Pol | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Feb 25 2014 10:18 AM

The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture is on sale until Friday. Is it worth getting this if you already have the Early Church Fathers Protestant edition? After all, you could easily set up the ECFP as a collection and search it in My Passage Guide.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 10:44 AM

Yes you can easily set up a search to do see whenever a passage is mentioned in the ECF set.  But the ECF set is a collection of writings from the early church and is hardly complete.  The ACCS set, besides being in a more convenient format of a commentary AND a more modern translation, also includes extracts from many works that had never been translated into English.  And so it does offer additional material.

Of course, you have to decide if it is worth it to you.  How interested are you in what the Fathers said about these texts?  How much do you trust those who picked the selections to include?

SDG

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 10:47 AM

It appears to me that it is selling at the regular price.

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Abel C. Pol | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 11:01 AM

They sent out a promo code for 15% off.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 11:04 AM

Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Complete Set Updated Edition (ACCS) (29 vols.)

is not exhaustive but it is very handy and gives a good value in my mind. I own the ECF (Catholic edition) and find ACCS very useful...

-Dan

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 11:04 AM

Thanks for the explanation, but you should edit your post and remove the code.  Forum guidelines I believe.  My fault - I should have just asked if it was a special offer.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 11:19 AM

Dan Francis:

I own the ECF (Catholic edition) and find ACCS very useful...

Hi Dan,

If you could summarize what you find useful it would be a big help.  I too struggle with the making a value decision on a number of church father resources that Logos has.  I currently have a bid in for the larger 127 volume set from CUA and am trying to place these other, various offerings in context with ECF and many others ... Catena Aurea, Apostolic Fathers, Greek Fathers, translations of individual Fathers (Chrysostom et. al.), etc.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 12:55 PM

Cantena Aurea is a fabulous work and if it was just for the gospels I would advise you to save your money and get it. ACCS is nice because it gives you a patristic summery (overview) then followed by the relevant passages. I think it would be best to mention how the works are sometimes thematically linked rather than a direct comment on a passage, which is something that doesn't happen with passage guide and ECF. Also these references are very concise focusing in on what is key. Yet if you have the item in your logos library it will take you right to the work being quoted. The entire Bible is done, giving revel event passages to the entire Bible and parts of the apocrypha. I shall quote the passage I was studying last night which I know had no direct links to the ECF in the passage guide.....

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12:1–5 SAMUEL ADDRESSES THE PEOPLE


OVERVIEW: Samuel’s appeal for testimony against himself prompts varied comments. Samuel speaks in order to instruct Saul to be meek and gentle (CHRYSOSTOM). Samuel clears himself of any wrongdoing near the end of his lengthy ministry (IRENAEUS). Samuel teaches that a priest must avoid covetousness (JEROME).


12:3–5 The People Attest to Samuel’s Righteousness

INSTRUCTING THE KING TO GENTLENESS. CHRYSOSTOM: For Samuel also put together a high panegyric upon himself, when he anointed Saul, saying, “Whose ass have I taken, or calf, or shoes? Or have I oppressed any of you?” And yet no one finds fault with him. And the reason is because he did not say it by way of setting off himself, but because he was going to appoint a king, he wishes under the form of a defense [of himself] to instruct him to be meek and gentle.… But when he saw that they [the people] would not be hindered by any of these things [the ways of the king] but were incurably distempered, he thus both spared them and composed their king to gentleness. Therefore he also takes him to witness. For indeed no one was then bringing suit or charge against Saul that he needed to defend himself, but Samuel said those things in order to make him better. And therefore also he added, to take down his pride, “If you will listen, you and your king,” such and such good things shall be yours, “but if you will not listen, then the reverse of all.” HOMILIES ON 2 CORINTHIANS 24.3.

A GOOD CONSCIENCE. IRENAEUS: In this way, too, Samuel, who judged the people so many years and bore rule over Israel without any pride, in the end cleared himself.… In this strain also the apostle Paul, inasmuch as he had a good conscience, said to the Corinthians, “For we are not as many [are], who corrupt the Word of God: but in sincerity, but as from God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.” “We have injured no one, corrupted no one, circumvented no one.”3 AGAINST HERESIES 4.26.4.

AVOIDING COVETOUSNESS. JEROME: That a priest must avoid covetousness even Samuel teaches when he proves before all the people that he has taken nothing from any one. LETTER 69.9.


John R. Franke, ed., Old Testament IV: Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1–2 Samuel (Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2005), 237–238.

For me I find ACCS not an exhaustive work but a great gateway into the ECF.

-dan

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Abel C. Pol | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 25 2014 1:50 PM

This is very helpful. Thanks!

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