New Idea for a Base Package!

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 5:32 PM

Rosie Perera:

Bob Pritchett:
Now that we have dynamic pricing, and ways to make base packages more easily, we can look at doing other bases.

There should be a simple entry point for new users who want all the functionality but want to choose their content themselves. Why not create a very basic base package that has virtually no content, but that unlocks all the datasets and tools, and that people can add most of their content on top of selectively by buying bundles such as the above? I know that's essentially what the "minimal crossgrade" does, but the terminology is confusing for people. They think it's meant only for moving from a previous version of Logos to the current one, etc. And it does contain some books that people wouldn't want. Even the Core Datasets package contains content some people wouldn't want (a devotional, bible illustrations, plant & animals freebies, etc.) and it doesn't contain all the datasets that Minimal Crossgrade does. So for the hardcore folks who really just want what they want, they need Logos JC Foundation (built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and nothing else...) (Unfortunately Verbum Foundations has already stolen the "Foundation" name though.)



Emphasis mine. Given the width and breadth of traditions here on the forums, I'm not sure even that would be something we could all create a common (and equally useful for all) description of.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 6:19 PM

Now that I know this is being "looked at", let me say something I intended to say earlier. IF a Bible Study base package were offered, I think that it would need to have a variety of builds. In other words, just as Anglican has Starter, Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, and Diamond, I would desire all of those levels, but actually at least a few more. I don't know if Portfolio is appropriate as a next step, because I'm not sure what would come after that, and I do think something else needs to come after that. What I am envisioning is essentially a Bible Specialist's Package--Unobtainium Edition. Would this be expensive? Um...yes. But, it would also have the lion's share of what I want. I've said it elsewhere, and I will repeat it here--I will spend lots of money IF I can get crazy value. I will spend Master Bundle XL funds IF I can get that much stuff w/o the Catholic, Baptist, Reformed, Women's, Church History, Preaching, Counseling, Pastoral, Devotional, Philosophy & Apologetics, Marriage & Family, and Devotional bundles, with that gap filled-in with my Wish List, which is pretty much just more of the same kind of stuff found in the other remaining bundles. It might have a few cherry-picked items from the bundles mentioned above, but not much.

Most of the stuff in my Wish List will remain there forever...unless I can get base package pricing on it, and I've got a pretty big wish list. Yeah, I'm asking for an absurd deal on what I'd like to see in this Unobtainium package...but that's only because it's going to cost me an absurd amount of money to get it. I can live with that...IF I can get that.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 9:10 PM

Bob Pritchett:
These are effectively 'base' bundles with highly focused collections of resources around a single topic.

Bob, is there a chance then that we would see the resources available in the current base packages also take on the form of topical bundles? Not sure what others think, but I would be a fan. Smile

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 9:15 PM

Bob Pritchett:
We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.

Let me just say:  Yay! 

(That is, if this means two different computers on the same account can have different books downloaded)

Windows tablets and ultrabooks just got more interesting.

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 9:22 AM

Todd Phillips:

Bob Pritchett:
We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.

Let me just say:  Yay! 

I would love to have that function, as I have one Logos desktop installation on my iMac for church work – sermon preparation, bible studies, etc – and my MacBook Air I use for academic study, writing papers etc. I would be great to strip out a lot of stuff on both (the "fluff") and certain material on each (I don't need Perseus and a heap of academic stuff on my iMac in the manse but it is essential on my MBA down at the cottage).

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 5:01 AM

abondservant:

Logos has an Original Languages package which was considered the step up from the OLL in L4.

Have any of you considered or evaluated that? It wasn't released with the initial packages but instead was released some months later.

Sure, but I'm not allowed to buy it. Only students are.Crying

And it's called Biblical Languages.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 5:02 AM

Rosie Perera:
Why not create a very basic base package that has virtually no content, but that unlocks all the datasets and tools (...) I know that's essentially what the "minimal crossgrade" does, but the terminology is confusing for people. They think it's meant only for moving from a previous version of Logos to the current one, etc.

And they're fairly correct. To get most of the datasets they need not only the L5 MC, but also the L4 MC -- and even then they'll miss a few things that aren't available outside base packages at all.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 5:02 AM

Bob Pritchett:
Now that we have dynamic pricing, and ways to make base packages more easily, we can look at doing other bases.

You could make a very good start by simply allowing all of us to buy Biblical Languages. Wink

Then you can build David's Biblical Studies packages on top of that.

Bob Pritchett:
We're also looking to add the ability to control which books are downloaded to your local laptop/desktop, as we do for mobile. This will let you keep 'fluff' off your hard drive.

Yes

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 2:30 PM

fgh:

Sure, but I'm not allowed to buy it. Only students are.Crying

And it's called Biblical Languages.

What happens when you try and buy it?

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Robert G. Mettler | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 2:40 PM

Mark Barnes:

What happens when you try and buy it?

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 3:42 PM

fgh:
You could make a very good start by simply allowing all of us to buy Biblical Languages

I have L5 Platinum plus *****. Biblical Languages is grayed out for me, and I do not have academic access.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 3:50 PM

Bob Pritchett:
The fundamental problem, though, is that one person's fluff is another's valuable tool.

I think there is a lot of truth in this. Each person would define fluff differently.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 4:17 PM

Robert G. Mettler:

That's annoying. What about this link? https://www.logos.com/buy/27551 (I can't try it, because I already own it.)

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 4:28 PM

That gets it into my cart all right -- but at full price!

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 31 2014 4:47 PM

Full price is better than not at all I suppose.

I wasn't aware that was a students only item - didn't know such things existed. Thats kinda cool for those of us who are students.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 4:33 AM

abondservant:
Full price is better than not at all I suppose.

Really? The full price is 749.95. My upgrade price is supposed to be 20-25 (someone posted a trick when it was new that made me able to see my dynamic price, even though I couldn't take advantage of it). So, no, the full price definitely isn't better than not at all. I could buy the few volumes I'm missing separately for a lot cheaper than that. But not cheap enough to tempt me.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 4:22 PM

So I went ahead and took an absurd amount of time (like I didn't go to sleep last night at all) and scrounged together this puppy...

...basically, I envision this sitting on top of Portfolio. Is it a base package, or a supplement? That's up to Logos to decide; they would have to include the base package toys. I'm not saying this is exhaustive--I'm pretty certain it isn't--but this is what I want. Actually, I have big chunks (pieces-parts) of this already. Anyway, make this attractive enough, and I will get it...I promi$$$e.

PROTO-LOGOS UNOBTANIUM COLLECTION

Bibles

Ancient Texts

Ancient Languages

Commentaries

Biblical Studies

Journals

Apologetics

Encyclopedias & Dictionaries

Handbooks and Introductions

Exegesis and Interpretation

Theology

Ancient & Biblical History and Archaeology

Bible Atlas

Of course, I probably won't be able to get it all in one chunk, but if it is broken into modules or something of the sort, I will pick it up a piece at a time.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 6:24 PM

And the total price is … $29.95.  Wink

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 9:15 PM

Cool fact: I own one of James D.G. Dunn's Bibles. 

Butttt there are a lot of titles in that I wouldn't necessarily be interested in. 

Kind of surprised that you didn't include Themelios - but then I noticed you did include a lot of Arminean titles. Would you perhaps prefer an Arminean base package?

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JC54 | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 7 2014 7:40 AM

abondservant:
Kind of surprised that you didn't include Themelios

Well, Themeliios is already in portfolio (which was assumed that you owned already).

I think your proposal package looks a bit like "everything interesting Logos offers at the moment excluding portfolio". That sounds good but.... well, yeah... it might be a bit expensive.... 

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