Logos 4 Windows on Parallels problem

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 30 2009 7:57 PM

I just bought a new computer and am experiencing very bad screen corruption issues with Logos 4 under Windows 7/ Parallels 5.  I wonder if anyone here has experienced the same issues?

Logos loads and starts normally, but soon as I hover my mouse over various parts of the application the screen gets corrupted.  They range from black rectangles to pixel corruption, sometimes recovering momentarily as some panels get redrawn.  When it was really bad it became something like:

For those of you who have success running Logos 4 under Win 7/ Parallels, is there any settings that need to be changed either under the Parallels or Windows 7 to get the application working properly?  I'm wondering whether Parallels, Windows 7, or the fact that it is a Chinese version of Windows 7, that is causing the problem.  

Here's my configuration: 

iMac 2.8G Intel i7/ 8GB/ OSX 10.6.2; Parallels Desktop 5 (build 5.0.9220); Windows 7 (Win Home Prem 7 32-bit Chin Trad Hong Kong OEM)

Would be most grateful for any help/ advices!  Smile

 

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 8:00 PM

Not sure about Parallels, but I get some rendering issues when I have 3d turned on in Fusion. Do you have 3d disabled on Parallels? Might give that a try and see if it helps.

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 8:02 PM

I turned off 3D in the Virtual Machine graphics card setting. I also turned off aero in Win 7 itself. That seems to help performance and some minor display issues I was having. Make sure you are giving it enough memory and CPU too. I have an 8 core and give Windows 4 and 1.5 Gigs of memory. That seems to be the happy medium on my machine.

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 8:09 PM

how do you turn off aero?

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Michael Kares | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 8:12 PM

Robert Mullen:
I have an 8 core and give Windows 4 and 1.5 Gigs of memory

 

I read in a post earlier that Paralells' staff says you shouldn't give any more than two cores to their VM--the machine runs slower on more than two cores and more than 2 GB of RAM

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 9:41 PM

Wow, thanks for all your responses.  Now I'll have to wait till I get off work to try your suggestions when I go back home.

Actually I'm also wondering if I should setup Windows 7 to run with bootcamp.  Has anyone been using Bootcamp with Windows 7, and are there any issues with Logos 4?  Or should I wait for the Bootcamp update with official Win 7 support (they said before the end of this year but hey, isn't it already the end of the year today... Wink)?

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2009 9:47 PM

Amy Leung:

Wow, thanks for all your responses.  Now I'll have to wait till I get off work to try your suggestions when I go back home.

Actually I'm also wondering if I should setup Windows 7 to run with bootcamp.  Has anyone been using Bootcamp with Windows 7, and are there any issues with Logos 4?  Or should I wait for the Bootcamp update with official Win 7 support (they said before the end of this year but hey, isn't it already the end of the year today... Wink)?

Amy, I am running Windows 7 (64 bit) Bootcamp in 10.6.2. and while I am running Fusion, I did try it out with Parallels as well. Works like a champ, no problems at all.

 

 

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Felipe Chamy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 6:46 AM

Otto S. Carroll:

how do you turn off aero?

How do you turn off aero in windows 7?

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 7:20 AM

Felipe Chamy:
How do you turn off aero in windows 7?

 

Right Click your desktop and choose "personalize desktop"

 

That will open a window giving you different background themes. At the top, you will Aero themes, toward the bottom you will see Classic and High contrast themes. Choose the windows 7 basic or XP classic. Turning off 3D in the VM Settings has been helpful for some people as well.

 

 

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 7:30 AM

In Parallels 4 that was true but in 5 my understanding is that you can use as many as you want. That said it crashes a Vista VM at work if I use more than 1 (on a 4 core) but with Windows 7 4 cores seemed to be the snappiest. I have played with so many setting I may go back and try again. Turning of 3D and Aero is by far the biggest improvement though.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 9:03 AM

MichaelKares:
read in a post earlier that Paralells' staff says you shouldn't give any more than two cores to their VM--the machine runs slower on more than two cores and more than 2 GB of RAM

Michael

I have tried two Parallels 5 and XP configurations—2Gb and 4GB RAM. There is hardly any measurable difference in L4  searches. Most of the time it favors the 4GB configuration, but not by much. The overall speed of the application does not seem to be much different. I guess I would say, it does not matter very much. 

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 10:59 AM

Thanks for all your replies!  I tried your suggestions but very unfortunately they didn't work on my computer.  The Win 7 that was installed in the computer (by the store guy) was a version that didn't have Aero so I guess there's no need to disable it (the option is also absent), and on the Parallels side, the option to enable/disable 3D was somehow dimmed.  Crying

I'll try get two copies of Windows (Win XP/ Win 7) first thing tomorrow and try to install them with Bootcamp.  Hopefully I'll be able to get something which works that way.

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 11:01 AM

Amy Leung:

Thanks for all your replies!  I tried your suggestions but very unfortunately they didn't work on my computer.  The Win 7 that was installed in the computer (by the store guy) was a version that didn't have Aero so I guess there's no need to disable it (the option is also absent), and on the Parallels side, the option to enable/disable 3D was somehow dimmed.  Crying

I'll try get two copies of Windows (Win XP/ Win 7) first thing tomorrow and try to install them with Bootcamp.  Hopefully I'll be able to get something which works that way.

You have to stop the virtual machine to change the settings. If you don't they are greyed out (unavailble.) Save all your work in Windows before you do it as it is the equivalent of a Windows reboot.

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 11:15 AM

Thanks Robert and everyone else!!!  I stopped the VM and was able to disable the 3D.  Now L4 is working like a charm.  I think we have a very nice and helpful community here.  Wink

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Felipe Chamy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2009 12:49 PM

Amy Leung:
 I think we have a very nice and helpful community here.

 

we do, I´ve enjoyed it very much!

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Brian J. Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 2 2010 8:14 AM

I have a new computer on the way.  I was using Parallels on my old Mac Book and was having difficulties with response time, etc.  I have heard that if I install Windows on Boot Camp instead of using Parallels the responsiveness of Logos 4 will be greatly improved.  I was also using Windows XP on the old Mac and am considering switching to Windows 7.  Is this a problem?  Should I load Parallels using Boot Camp or just use Boot Camp on its own.  Previously I had Parallels loaded without going through the Boot Camp assistant.

The new Mac Book Pro will have 3.02 GHZ processing, 8 MB ram, with the latest video card and plenty of HD storage.  Please give me any advice you have for making this machine run Logos 4 most effectively.

Thanks,

Brian Williams

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 2 2010 8:30 AM

Terry Poperszky:

Felipe Chamy:
How do you turn off aero in windows 7?

Right Click your desktop and choose "personalize desktop" 

That will open a window giving you different background themes. At the top, you will Aero themes, toward the bottom you will see Classic and High contrast themes. Choose the windows 7 basic or XP classic. Turning off 3D in the VM Settings has been helpful for some people as well.

Thanks Terry and Felipe!

Yes...I'm running Windows 7. I already had the VM's 3D turned off when I upgrade to 7 from XP, so I never saw Aero run on my computer - in fact, I didn't know what it was until yesterday when I turned the 3D ON in my VM settings. Cool looking UI yet it significantly slows L4 down on my system...so I returned 3D to OFF. When I get back home, I will see if there's any additional L4 performance increase by selecting the Win-7 basic or XP classic background themes.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 2 2010 10:30 AM

BrianWilliams:
Should I load Parallels using Boot Camp or just use Boot Camp on its own.  Previously I had Parallels loaded without going through the Boot Camp assistant.

That depends upon whether or not you want the convenience of having both systems available at the same time. I have Logos on a Parallels 5 VM, but I do my note-taking on a Mac Word Processor. I do not desire to use any more Windows applications than I absolutely have to. Geeked Another things to consider, when using a Parallels 5 VM, you can set all internet operations except L4 to operate through Mac applications thereby reducing your exposure to viruses. Of course, you can (and should) use anti-virus software on Windows, but these also slow L4 down.

All-in-all, I believe that operating L4 in Boot Camp has more disadvantages than advantages. Besides, Boot Camp wasn't all that much fun when the US Navy sent me to Summer Camp Geeked

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 2 2010 10:42 AM

Amy Leung:

Thanks Robert and everyone else!!!  I stopped the VM and was able to disable the 3D.  Now L4 is working like a charm.  I think we have a very nice and helpful community here.  Wink

Good to hear, I think the 3D in Parallels still fails back to software rendering which is terribly resource intensive. I know I can run full aero in boot camp on an iMac with no problems so it is not the hardware itself.

Agree on the community too. I have gotten lots of help with my specific issues. This is a great resource that will hopefully continue to grow.

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