The Book of Common Prayer - 1549 Thomas Cranmer edition

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Travis Buchanan | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 2 2010 6:11 AM

I have a public domain resource suggestion for Logos 4: The Book of Common Prayer 1549 edition by Thomas Cranmer. I can't believe this hasn't been done yet but it would be an essential resource to add to the lectionaries as part of the basic base package for users.

Thank you!

You can access a PDF of this 1549 edition here: http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1549/BCP_1549.htm 

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Mark Stevens | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 2 2010 1:32 PM

TravisBuchanan:
The Book of Common Prayer

I would love to have this in Logos. I use it almost daily. Perhaps it could be added as another lectionary option?

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DHG | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2010 7:07 PM

Good suggestion, I'd buy too!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2010 7:20 PM

MarkStevens:

TravisBuchanan:
The Book of Common Prayer

I would love to have this in Logos. I use it almost daily. Perhaps it could be added as another lectionary option?

I would like to see the current BCP in Logos.  The listings in the Daily Office could be used to generate a lectionary for every day rather than simply for Sunday.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2010 8:23 PM

George Somsel:
The listings in the Daily Office could be used to generate a lectionary for every day rather than simply for Sunday.

If either of you are willing to put in it Excel format, I'm sure Logos will publish any without copyright issues. There are a handful of issues that I can help you work out but basically the BCP provides no unusual circumstances.

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Don D. Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2010 10:56 PM

George Somsel:
would like to see the current BCP in Logos.  The listings in the Daily Office could be used to generate a lectionary for every day rather than simply for Sunday.

I too would like a daily lectionary and the services contained in the Anglican service books tavailable in Logos, but that is not simple request.  While I acknowledge the predominately US customer base, there is a (significant?) international component.  The current Book of Common Prayer is no longer one book throughout the Anglican Communion.  Many of the Provinces (divisions of the Anglican Church) have their own current Book of Common Prayer.  Canada has two "official" books, the (1962) Book of Common Prayer and the (1985) Book of Alternative Services.  The weekly and daily lectionaries in these two books are different.  While I see many benefits from moving to the electronic form of distributing these books, the publisher (the Anglican Book Centre) has seemed reluctant to move in that direction, so there could be copyright issues.

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Mark Stevens | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2010 6:31 PM

MJ. Smith:
If either of you are willing to put in it Excel format, I'm sure Logos will publish any without copyright issues. There are a handful of issues that I can help you work out but basically the BCP provides no unusual circumstances.

 

MJ, is it really that easy? What would I need to do?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2010 8:12 PM

MarkStevens:
MJ, is it really that easy? What would I need to do?

Okay, let's make a disclaimer: I have permission to gather the information and present it to Logos in the context of a few tweaks that need to be made to make the Lectionaries fully functional - they are so close. These are the directions to take it to the point that I am willing to commit to any additional effort necessary for Logos to use the file:

Column 0: Year/Cycle to distinguish multi-year cycles - omit if not needed (I don't think that this applies to the BCP that are out of copyright so I called it column 0)

Column 1: Season, if applicable otherwise "Sanctoral" or "votive" - or whatever the Church of England calls the cycle of the calendar of saints and the opitonal, special needs options

Column 2 Date w/o year only for those items that are celebrated based only on calendar date e.g. Christmas, sanctoral cycle

Column 3: Liturgical name for the day e.g. "Pentecost", "2nd Sunday after Christmas" - use BCP terminology

Column 4: (optional) liturgical color

Column 5: normally blank but used to differentiate between two services of the same type in the same day e.g. (Catholic) Easter midnight, Easter at dawn, Easter during the day

Remainder - please title both the groups and the columns:

  • a group of columns that apply to Morning Prayer - 1 column for each type of reading titled by the name used in the BCP: e.g. sentences, psalms, antiphon, readings ... In the cells give the scriptural reference puting an "or" between alternatives and parens around optional items. For the columns you can split into  more groups if they apply (e.g. additional prayer hours, traditional / alternative ...)
  • a group of columns that apply to Evening Prayer - same rules
  • a group of columns for the primary service i.e. Mass in Catholic terminology

When Column 5 is used, a second line is used for each service i.e. Christmas midnight and Christmas during the day are two lines. Morning and Evening Prayer only need to appear on the first line.

Often you can find a table to import that gives you a head start on the data - but you rarely can find it all - so the task becomes tedious.

I am hoping that we can get a mechanism to handle other items such as baptism, ordination ... these I am prototyping on a separate sheet that includes the service followed by a list of the name of the scriptural element (sentence, antiphon, lesson 1 ...) and the scriptural reference.

Anything that is out of copyright is fair game. It is worth doing the current practice if there is a good chance that Logos can get permission to publish the citation list.

If you are interested in varitions, you may supply a file that includes only lines in which there is a difference.

Somewhere in the spreadsheet identify the book, the church, publishing info or URL, required translation (if any), your name and email.

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Mark Stevens | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2010 2:31 AM

Wow, that is a fair amount of work! I'll have to have a think about it...

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2010 2:58 AM

MJ. Smith:
(Catholic) Easter midnight, Easter at dawn, Easter during the day

Were you thinking of Christmas?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2010 5:09 PM

Damian McGrath:
Were you thinking of Christmas?

You mean we didn't just finish Easter? Yes, I had a "mind fart" as my grandson would say - Christmas has 3 services, Easter has 2. With our sanctuary being remodeled from yesterday until Palm Sunday, I have a bit of an excuse for having liturgy-planning overload. And, yes, I know "planning" can be an unfortunate choice of terms  - it is only the execution of a plan that I plan.

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Jim Erwin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 10:56 AM

Has there been any progress on this?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 11:04 AM

Not that I know of

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