LOUW NIDA VS BIBLE SENSE LEXICON

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Tim Bray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 2 2014 1:07 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Tim Bray:
I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.

+1 Yes Thanks plus shared "Louw-Nida 89 Relations" Highlighting Palette & Visual Filter

=> https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents

Keep Smiling Smile

Thanks heaps...I modified my one to include some of the things I missed :-)

 

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J David Shuttleworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 3 2014 11:00 AM

To' Tim

Thanks heaps for your time in sharing the work that you have done. I appreciate you taking the time and effort to share.

It will help in my future stud if God's Magnificent Word.

God Bless You!!

Dave

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John W | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 3 2014 1:41 PM

How do you see the doc in the Faithlife group? I just joined.

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 3 2014 1:48 PM

They are in the Document folder & are both called Louw-Nida 89 Relations in the Logos Visual Filters group. You need the Visual Filter & the Highlighting Palette.

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John W | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 4 2014 11:43 AM

when I click on them I get this---https://documents.logos.com/documents/e6f58ff8105b49789ea793d4fd9925a5

What do I do with this?

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 4 2014 11:53 AM

FWIW, when I joined and tried to download the document, nothing appeared to happen. But when I opened Logos, it had installed itself.

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Tim Bray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 4 2014 11:58 AM

Hi John,

1 - Join the group "Logos Visual Filters" https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/about

2 - Open the documents tab https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents

3 - Download the following two files: Louw-Nida 89 Relations (visual filter) AND Louw-Nida 89 Relations (highlight palette)

You do this by clicking on the blue "action" button to the right of the file and selecting copy.

Once you have done both you are good to go.

The above files replace my original ones as "Keep Smiling For Jesus :-)" upgraded them with better ones.

Blessings Tim 

 

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John W | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 4 2014 12:40 PM

Thanks for this key piece of info. Now I get it. It puts it into LBS.

Thanks,

John

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 12:22 AM

I have added two more visual filters with their corresponding highlighting palettes that feature Louw-Nida Domains to the Visual Filters Faithlife group. One includes Discourse Markers and Comparisons, the other Time and Location references. Here is how you can use them:

  

If you do Inducting Bible Study:

  • Turning on the Relations filter helps you find conclusions and contrast as well as other text connectors that show how the authors thought or argument progresses and develops.
  • Turning on the Time and Location filter helps you find expressions of time and geographical locations
  • Turning on the Discourse Markers and Comparison filter helps you find different kinds of comparisons in the text as well as other features that the author wanted us to especially notice

If you do Discourse Analysis:

  • The Relations give us an idea of the propositional relations, how the discourse is developed
  • Time and Location usually mark progress of the discourse. Change of time or location signal a new thought unit, a new paragraph
  • Discourse Markers and Comparison all have to do with things the author has put into focus

Once you have downloaded the filters you can modify them to suit your mark-up stile. For example if you do inductive bible study and you have already a highlighting style for time, location etc. you can simple select your highlighting style in the filter instead of mine.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 12:37 AM

thank you

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 6:19 AM

Thanks to all for sharing these tools - they are excellent and much appreciated!

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 2:44 PM

Thanks for the great filters! 
Anyone have tools like this for Old Testament studies?

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Anthony H | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 3:39 PM

Fr. Charles R. Matheny:

Thanks for the great filters! 
Anyone have tools like this for Old Testament studies?

Yes

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Tim Bray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 4:08 PM

Anthony H:

Fr. Charles R. Matheny:

Thanks for the great filters! 
Anyone have tools like this for Old Testament studies?

Yes Yes

John @ learnlogos.com conducted a great webinar on LN the other night and I have asked him if he has any ideas for an OT version. Will keep you posted.

Tim

 

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 7:56 PM

[quote user="Tim Bray"]

Hi,

I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.

Tim

[/quote]

This is great Tim, I have just performed it as you have done it ,but I could not show it up automatic on my Bible text ,could you please tell what to do to show it up. )I don't even see it on the Visual filters icon.)

Blessings in Christ.

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Tim Bray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 8:32 PM

Hi Tes,

A couple of things to check:

  1. Are you in the NT?
  2. Are you in the correct bible (i.e. the one that the VF was created for. My VF was for all bibles)
  3. Check the VF icon (the three interlinking circles) scroll down the the bottom of the list somewhere and it should be there.

Hope this helps

Tim

 

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Tim Bray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 8:35 PM

Woops...it all else fails try following this link

https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents

Download both of the items below and that should fix the problem.

 

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 9:55 PM

Fr. Charles R. Matheny:

Thanks for the great filters! 
Anyone have tools like this for Old Testament studies?


Unfortunately no! Not at this point. But there are two future possibilities. One is that Logos adds functional connectors to the Bible Sense Lexicon and the other is if Logos annotates the OT using the Semantic Dictionary of Biblical Hebrew - which has not yet been published. See the following forum entry for more information: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/17037.aspx

The linked forum entry above shows that LN and BSL are different in some regard. What we have done with these filters is hard to do with the BSL. Well right now most of the devices we look up in the filters are not tagged yet in the BSL. But even the few that are show some difficulties. For example a few time references are tagged since they are adverbs. So if I choose the word "today" and open it in the BSL it shows it is a type of 'day' and a type of 'time unit'. So I could make a search for 'time unit' (well I can't because the BSL cannot be searched at this point anyway, but let's say I could). However, when I look up the word "tomorrow" it is not linked to a 'domain' if you like. It only says it pertains to 'next day', which would again be listed under 'time unit'. But that would mean that whenever the word tomorrow is used it would not be highlighted using the search criteria 'time unit'.

There is one recourse that has limited semantic domain tagging, which is the Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis. I understand that these domains can be searched using syntax search. But syntax search can not be used to produce a visual filter.

I hope Logos notices the request from many Logos Users to include something like Louw-Nida for the OT. With these filters we have just proven the value of it!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 28 2014 5:32 AM

Rev Uche Nwoye:

I use Bible Sense Lexicon which I love so much. Do I still need Louw Nida? Any difference between the two?

Uche

What you really need is BDAG.

Arndt, William, Frederick W. Danker, and Walter Bauer. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000.

george
gfsomsel

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Rev Uche Nwoye | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 8:01 AM

I sincerely appreciate the discussions here. I now have both BSL and LN and My Logos 5 and study approach have been positively influenced by the postings on LOUW NIDA filters in this forum. I asked little and received much. God bless you richly. 

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